美球迷熱議范甘迪親筆評價姚明！火蜜觸景傷情，那年我火很有希望

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[The Players" Tribune] How to Measure Yao Ming | By Jeff Van Gundy. (theplayerstribune.com)

【球星看台】如何評價姚明 | 傑夫范甘迪親筆

（完整譯文：https://bbs.hupu.com/18395306.html)

[–]Rocketspipsdontsqueak 107 指標 13小時前

「If there』s anything I regret from my time as Houston』s coach, it』s the two playoff series that we didn』t finish off after going up 2–0. We never got out of the first round, and so NBA fans didn』t get to see Yao』s greatness when it mattered most.」

「During Yao』s career, he often battled two other Hall of Fame-caliber centers who were each at different points of their careers: Shaq was in his 30s, and he was still the best center in the league; Dwight Howard was the best young center in the game. And then there was Yao, who in his mid-twenties was younger than Shaq, but older than Dwight. Yao was better than Dwight, and the gap between Yao and Shaq was smaller than the gap between Yao and Dwight.」

Me too, coach. That said, Yao will go down as one of my favorite Rockets players ever. Those injuries really were just awful to him. I keep thinking about what he could have been if he"d had enough time to hit his full potential in a season. Also: Mild shade at Dwight. Hilarious.

（以下兩段為范甘迪原文）

「如果說我在火箭的執教時光有什麼讓我後悔的事情，那就是有兩次季後賽我們2-0後沒有拿下系列賽。我們從沒突圍第一輪，所以很多NBA球迷在最關鍵的時刻看不到姚明的偉大之處。」

「在姚明的職業生涯期間，他經常和其他兩個處在職業生涯不同時期的名人堂級別的中鋒對抗：奧尼爾三十幾歲了，而他還是聯盟第一中鋒；霍華德是場上最優秀的年輕中鋒，而且那時聯盟還有姚明，他才25歲左右，比奧尼爾年輕，但比霍華德年長。姚明比霍華德更強，姚明與奧尼爾之間的差距要比霍華德與姚明之間的差距更小。」

火蜜：我也有同感呢，教練，也就是說，姚明會是史上我最喜愛的火箭球員之一。那些傷病對他真的很折磨，我一直在想如果一個賽季他有足夠的時間來發揮他所有完全的潛力，那他會是什麼樣的。當然，第二段也有點輕扁霍華德，很好笑。

[–]Trail Blazerscornisnice 67 指標 12小時前

a lot of people don"t remember this but Yao OWNED dwight every time they played.

很多人都不記得了，但姚明每次對位霍華德都是壓制。

交手數據參見：http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=mingya01&p2=howardw01

[–]Lakersso-cal_kid 39 指標 11小時前

What made Dwight so dominant was his combination of size, athleticism, and overpowering strength. Yao nullified a lot of that by virtue of being half a foot taller than him and outweighing him by like 40 pounds. Dwight didn"t have the skill/finesse game to deal with that. The fact Dwight could only really play around the paint just fed Yao because he could post up on Dwight all game long.

身材，運動能力和超強的力量的結合讓霍華德這麼有統治力，姚明因為高半英尺的身高而且大概40磅的體重優勢抵消了霍華德的優勢。霍華德沒有技巧/策略來應對姚明。霍華德真的只能在禁區里打，這很對姚明的胃口，因為他可以整場比賽都在低位背打霍華德。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveSartuk 21 指標 12小時前

To be fair, the difference was by far the biggest during "05 and "06, when Dwight was still in his first and second year in the league.

That said I"m never going to argue for Dwight being better than Yao. Yao was incredible. I wouldn"t say the gap between Yao and Shaq was smaller than Yao and Dwight if we"re talking about primes, but given the actual seasons they played against each other I might agree.

平胸而論，在05年和06霍華德和姚明的差距是最大的，當時霍華德才進聯盟一兩年。

也就是說，我從來不會去爭論說霍華德比姚明更強。姚明很不可思議，如果我們講的是他們的巔峰，我不會說姚明與奧尼爾之間的差距要比霍華德與姚明之間的差距更小，但如果討論的是現實賽季中他們互相的對抗的話，我可能會同意這個觀點。

[–]SunsJenkins_Palabro_ESQ 26 指標 8小時前

Yao had him by 8 inches, 50 pounds... and had way way way more finesse

He was insanely gifted in every way

姚明比霍華德高8英寸，重50磅…而且技巧豐富的多得多。

各方面姚都是天賦溢出。

[–]Spurstyr02 8 指標 5小時前

Plus being immensely higher on bbiq

而且在籃球智商上也要高得多。

[–]biggii2 11 指標 10小時前

Yao was more like 8 inches taller too. Dwight"s really more 6"10" and Yao was legit 7"6"

姚明比霍華德高不止8英寸，霍華德真的滿打滿算也就6尺10，姚明是真正的7尺6.

[–]fastheadcrab 19 指標 10小時前

Ah yeah, as a Lakers fan I"m sure you must remember Bynum schooling Dwight too. Anyone who could match Dwight in size and was more skilled had the advantage over him.

是的，作為湖蜜我確信，也肯定會記得拜納姆也曾教過霍華德做人，任何一個身材不輸霍華德而且技巧更好的中鋒都能在霍華德身上有對位優勢。

[–]RocketsSolar24 184 指標 14小時前

While there was not as much success as I would have hoped for the Yao-Tmac pairing, I can easily say that era was my favorite by far.

The team was just fun, tmac and Yao talent wise were two of the best to ever play.

Only wish injuries wouldn"t have cut their careers.

雖然姚麥組合沒有想我期待的那樣那麼成功，但我無疑會說目前為止那個時代是我最喜歡的時代。

球隊很有觀賞性，天賦而言，麥迪和姚明的顯然史上最佳中的兩人。

真希望傷病沒有縮短他們的職業生涯，那該多好啊。

[–]CavaliersCavs4life2016 72 指標 13小時前

Fucking Lakers.

該死的湖人。

[–]Rocketshtownnucca 72 指標 13小時前

The Jazz were the bigger thorn in our side those years. The Lakers just caught a break with our injuries one year.

火蜜：那些年爵士才是窩火最大的攔路虎，湖人只是碰到了窩火傷病的一年而已。

[–]LakersnomoredrivinginLA 33 指標 12小時前

Just looked it up. I forgot that we went seven games in the 2nd round in "09 even though Yao, T-Mac and Mutombo missed either most or all of that series. That was basically the end of Yao"s career :/ I hate it when teams basically get eliminated in large part because of injuries. The Rockets would"ve had a decent shot at getting to the Finals that year.

湖蜜：去查了一下，我都忘了我湖09年第二輪，儘管姚明，麥迪和穆托姆博缺席系列賽大部分比賽，火箭跟我們仍然打到了第七場。那基本上是姚明職業生涯的尾聲

，我很討厭球隊基本上因為傷病而被淘汰的情況，那一年火箭本來有很不錯的挺進總決賽的機會。

[–]Rocketshtownnucca 23 指標 12小時前

Oh definitely, even without TMac, because he was pretty inconsistent health wise that whole year, if the play where Kobe lands on Yao"s leg and injured him doesn"t happen in game 1, I think we take it in 6. He came back game 1 and closed out the game in my proudest moment as a Yao fan in his career, but it was right after that in Game 2 it created some other issue and he was basically done for the rest of his career. It was right after we saw what he could be at his peak, it"s such a painful ending. Motumbo went out during the Blazers series, I want to say. Battier, Artest, Scola and Brooks fought like mad men, but we just needed 1 more of our guys.

必須的，即使沒有麥迪，因為那整年他的健康狀況很明顯不穩定，如果在G1科比落地壓在姚明的腿上導致他受傷的那回合沒有發生，我覺得窩火6場就搞定湖人了。姚明G1王者歸來，作為一個姚蜜，他鎖定勝局的時刻是他職業生涯里我最自豪的時刻，但剛好在G2衍生出其他問題，而且他基本上剩下的職業生涯終結了。這剛好就發生在我們看到他巔峰的風采之後，這真是一個悲慘的結局。我想說穆托姆博在對陣開拓者的系列賽就傷了，巴蒂爾，阿泰斯特，斯科拉和布魯克斯像暴走了一樣在戰鬥，但窩火只是需要再多一個我們的人能站出來。

[–]Rocketsnapalm_anal_emission 13 指標 12小時前

I, in my homer glasses, still maintain that a healthy Rockets team takes it all that year. Yao & Deke would make things much tougher on Gasol and Bynum that what Scola and Hayes (though valiant) were capable of. Next round we have Battier, and Artest all capable of giving Melo hell. And in the finals nobody was a better matchup for Dwight than Yao, he dominated head to head.

我，作為火蜜的觀點，仍然堅持認為那年健康的火箭是可以奪冠的。相對於斯卡拉和海耶斯的能力，姚明和穆大叔會讓加嫂和拜納姆打的更艱難。再下一輪（若進西決）我們巴蒂爾和阿泰都有能力防的甜瓜不好受。而且在總決賽對位霍華德，沒人比姚明更適合打魔獸了，正面交手他一直都是統治霍華德。

[–]Lakersthatmonsteryeti 42 指標 12小時前

People forget that when Yao and T-Mac went down, Ron Artest was there to keep the series alive. I was terrified to see Ron-Ron play like a superstar that series, unfortunately (fortunate for Lakers Fans) his temper got the best of him in tight situations. That team and the Suns in "10 had me nervous that whole series.

湖蜜：人們都忘了當姚明和麥迪倒下時，阿泰站出來維持了系列賽的懸念，我看到那輪系列賽阿泰打的像一個超級球星一樣嚇壞我了，不幸的是（對湖蜜來說是幸運的），在緊張的情形下他的脾氣影響了最好狀態的他。那隻火箭以及10太陽整個系列賽都讓我緊張的要死。

[–]SunsSOAR21 16 指標 10小時前

From my anecdotal experience, as a Norcal asian kid of the 2000s (there are a ton of us), Yao and the Rockets were idolized.

It actually hurts me when I hear people say that Yao Ming was admitted into the HOF because of what he did for the game of basketball internationally. That might be true, but when people constantly say it like that, it glosses over the fact that Yao was at one point the best center in the league, and certainly among its most intelligent and skilled of all time. I have no doubt that if he wasn"t injured so often and so severely, he would have put up HOF numbers and booked a spot on basketball achievements alone.

Add his character and his contributions to basketball and I think we"d have been looking at one of the true basketball giants.

我的陳年軼事，作為一個21世紀初的生活在北加州的亞裔小孩（我們那裡有很多我這樣的），姚明和火箭就是我們的偶像。

當我聽到人們說姚明因為對籃球國際之間所做的貢獻而入選名人堂，實際上讓我很傷心。這可能是真的，但當人們一直說著類似這樣的話，這掩蓋了姚明曾經一度是聯盟最好的中鋒而且肯定是史上最聰明技巧最佳之一的事實。如果他不這麼經常受傷而且傷的沒有這麼嚴重，他打出名人堂級別的數據而且光靠籃球成就就能在史上留下濃墨重彩的一筆，我對此深信不疑。

加上他的性格和對籃球的貢獻，我覺得我們本該看到他成為真正的籃球巨人。

[–]riverdancejonas 97 指標 14小時前

「On a bus ride one year, Dikembe was talking about his pet monkey, Kiki. The whole bus was listening. Dikembe, with his deep baritone voice, was on a roll. No one could totally really keep track of the story. But just the way Dikembe talked about this monkey named Kiki was enough to make everyone on the bus convulse with laughter. When I looked around at Yao, he was laughing as hard as anyone, just radiating joy.」

（以下一段為范甘迪原文）

「有一年的巴士之旅，穆托姆博正談到他的寵物猴Kiki，整個巴士里的人都聆聽著，穆大叔用他深厚的男中音眉飛色舞的講述，大體上沒人能真正的記住那個故事，但單單是穆大叔說他的猴子叫 Kiki 的方式就足以讓車上的每個人捧腹大笑。當我看向姚明時，他如其他人一樣笑得這麼大聲，就是快樂傳染。「

[–]zxc123zxc123 73 指標 12小時前

When I looked around at Yao

當我看向姚明時：

[–]Charlotte Hornetschoosername472 55 指標 13小時前

Van Gundy the kind of dude who doesn"t link to the videos he"s referring to.

Yao Ming behind the back dribble

范甘迪是那種不會貼出他所提到的視頻鏈接的人。

姚明背後運球一條龍。

[–]CelticsAnzaiOne[S] 368 指標 14小時前

My favorite part of the JVG"s TPT article:

People tend to judge an NBA player』s career solely on how many championships he won. Winning championships is a big factor in the end, but I』ve always believed that conducting yourself as a champion is more important.

范甘迪文章中我最喜愛的部分：

」人們趨向於判斷一個球員的職業生涯僅僅根據他贏得了多少個冠軍，最終奪冠確實很重要，但我總是相信努力追求冠軍的方式更加重要。「

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonMill747 659 指標 11小時前

Guess Chuck is 0/2 then

騎蜜：那我猜巴克利爭冠記錄得是2中0了.

[–]LakersMattrix2 247 指標 10小時前

Found Lebron"s account

發現樓上詹姆斯賬號現身了。

[–]zxc123zxc123 44 指標 6小時前

[–]Spankerss 59 指標 10小時前

[–]Spursxasum0x 11 指標 13小時前

Will we ever see another asian superstar? I thought maybe Lin but it seems that"s not gonna be the case

我們還會看到下一個亞洲超級球星嗎？我原以為會是林書豪，但似乎不是那麼一回事。

[–]Pistonschuck151 48 指標 12小時前

My theory is that Jeremy Lin inspired a new wave of Asian athletes to pursue hoop dreams. I"m betting we will see more NBA players of Asian descent in the coming generation(s).

我的觀點是林書豪激勵了一波新的亞洲運動員去追求籃球夢。我打賭未來的一代（幾代）我們會看到更多亞洲血統的NBA球員。

[–]Warriorsstml 11 指標 9小時前

Lin also came from Bay Area which is probably ground zero for the "grow up and become an engineer or doctor" Asian stereotype. He proved that you can be elite at academics while also being elite at a sport despite being in an area where athletic talent isn"t valued highly.

林書豪也是來自「長大會成為一個工程師或者醫生」的亞裔刻板印象的灣區，他證明了你可以在學業上精通的同時也能在體育上成為精英，儘管是深處於運動天賦評價不高的地區。

[–]RocketsChanel_DU 4 指標 11小時前

We"re hoping our investment in Zhou Qi pays off when he"s ready to come over.

火蜜：我們希望我火在周琦身上的投資，在他準備好了的時候能夠兌現。