美球迷熱議詹姆斯在MVP爭奪中的優勢|連續九次雄踞MVP榜前三？

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美球迷熱議詹姆斯在MVP爭奪中的優勢|連續九次雄踞MVP榜前三？

The Case for a Lebron James MVP (self.nba)

勒布朗-詹姆斯將贏下MVP的依據

This season might be the most talented top tier in league"s history. The performances and numbers these guys are putting up are unreal and would most likely win in any other year. Harden, Westbrook, Lebron and Kawhii would all be MVP favorite by a huge margain in any other year which is mind blowing. Although these other 3 guys are playing tremendous basketball I believe Lebron James should win the MVP.

MVP definition:

Going by the definition itself I think Lebron is a clear MVP. Put Lebron on any team in the league and he will improve it more than any other player. Also while Westbrook, Harden and Kawhi are all carrying their teams from being utter trash, Lebron is also doing this to a certain degree. Cavs are 0-4 when he sat out. While people say Harden has an utter trash team this is false as his team has grown tremendously and the bench has become one of the best in the leagues.

On court Value: +/-

Lebron: 7.0

Kawhi: 6.4

Harden: 5.7

Westbrook: 3.1

This shows Lebron is more valuable when he is on the court.

Winning % when MVP candidates are playing:

Kawhi (team 4-1 when not playing) 78.2%

Lebron: (team 0-4 when not playing) 75%

Harden: (never sat out) 69.4%

Westbrook: (never sat out) 56.5%

Cavs are 1st seed, Spurs are 2nd seed, Rockets are 3rd seed. Historically speaking the best playing on winning teams is who becomes the mvp.

In the past 32 years the MVP has ALWAYS BEEN A 1ST OR 2ND SEED TEAM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2 TIMES WHERE THE 3RD SEED WON.

This is extremely important and looking at it I see no way Westbrook wins the MVP from the 7th seed. When nobody from the 4th seed has ever won it how could he do it from the 7th even from a triple double? Harden himself is on the bottom end of the historical scale with the 3rd seed. So cavs keeping the 1st seed would help his case a lot.

All around game/Defense:

In terms of MVP defense is something that is underrated. It being half the game is overlooked and this is why people like Isaiah thomas, although being fantastic players, are undeservedly viewed as MVP caliber. Kawhi is potentially going for a 3rd straight defensive player of the year which is a boost for his MVP case but Lebron is also a top tier defender when he wants to be. Lebron is at a higher level defensively than Harden and Westbrook too.

Numbers:

This is probably what most people use to make cases for MVP. Lebron, Westbrook and Harden are all having historically otherworldly offensive season. But for some reason the media show Westbrook and Harden"s season much more than Lebron who is having just as good numbers all things considered. This is where I think Kawhi cannot be MVP due to his lack of play making compared to these other players. He has scored less than all 3 of them and has a much much lower assist and rebound per game mark.

In the end I think the far away favorites with the best case are Harden and Lebron so lets do a head to head comparision.

----Harden ---- Lebron

ppg: 28.8 ----- 25.9

Apg: 11.3 ----- 8.9

Rpg: 8.0 ----- 8.0

Blkpg: 0.5 ----- 0.6

Stlpg: 1.5 ----- 1.3

FG%: 0.437 ----- 0.539

3P%: 0.351 ----- 0.398

FT%: 0.853 ----- 0.685

EFG%: 0.523 ----- 0.59

TS%: 61.7 ----- 61.4

Usage rate: 33.7% ----- 29.3%

Lebron"s usage rate is much lower than Harden"s. Scale it up to Harden"s rate and his stats would look much different.

PPG: 29.8

APG: 10.24

Not to mention Lebron"s shooting percentage and efficiency is much better than Harden"s with fg% more than 0.1% better and 3P% also much better. His percentage is better in every category except FT"s which is amazing consdiering Harden is thought to be a scorer and Lebron is not.

Lebron"s much percentage helps the team a lot and it also lets others have more usage to help teammates get better as well. Overall Lebron is the MVP of the league this year and is putting up one of his best seasons ever and it is being overlooked by Russell and Harden.

這可能是聯盟歷史上領頭槌員們天賦最為爆棚的一個賽季了。這幫大哥們打出的表現和砍下的數據簡直超現實。哈登，威斯布魯克，詹姆斯，倫納德，把其中任何一個空降到其他任何一個賽季，都很有可能以絕對優勢領跑MVP之爭。這個事實真是令人震精。儘管其他三名球員表現精彩絕倫，但我仍然堅信勒布朗-詹姆斯應該贏得MVP。

MVP的定義：

從「最有價值球員」的定義本身出發，我認為勒布朗毫無疑問是MVP。把他放在聯盟任何隊伍中，他給球隊帶來的提升，都是其他球員所望塵莫及的。儘管威斯布魯克、哈登和倫納德正在幫助球隊從一片荒蕪之中涅槃，詹姆斯在某種程度上也在做同樣的事。本賽季他缺陣時，騎士僅0勝4負。人們覺得哈登是在帶著一群CBA的隊友打球，然而這是錯的。火箭的陣容已經明顯強大了很多，並且擁有著聯盟最佳的替補陣容之一。

場上正負值：

詹姆斯：7.0

倫納德：6.4

哈登：5.7

威斯布魯克：3.1

證明詹姆斯在場上更有價值

MVP候選人出場時的勝率：

倫納德： 78.2%（缺陣時球隊戰績4勝1負）

勒布朗：75% （缺陣時球隊戰績0勝4負）

哈登：69.4% （全勤）

威斯布魯克：56.5% （全勤）

騎士是分區第一，馬刺是分區第二，火箭是分區第三。看看過去的歷史，在贏家隊伍中表現最好的那個球員通常當選了MVP。

在過去的32年里，MVP基本被頭號和二號種子球隊包攬，來自分區第三的球員拿下MVP的例外只有兩次。

這個紀錄至關重要。基於此我可以斷定，威斯布魯克在球隊排名分區第七的情況下贏得MVP的概率為零。分區第四都沒出過一個MVP，即使場均三雙在手，他又如何憑藉分區第七的戰績獲獎呢？分區第三的哈登都已經屬於過往MVP競爭中的非主流了。因此，騎士保住東部第一，會為詹姆斯的MVP競爭大大加分。

全面/防守：

對MVP防守能力的要求，有時是被低估的。人們時常忽略了防守佔據了比賽的半壁江山。這也是為什麼人氣頗高的以賽亞-托馬斯儘管是個很棒的球員，以評選MVP的眼光審視卻不夠格。倫納德有三連年度防守球員的趨勢，這對他的MVP競爭會是個加成。但只要詹姆斯想的話，他依然也是頂級防守者。而他的防守也比哈登和威斯布魯克強一檔。

數據：

這可能是大多數人判定MVP歸屬的論據。勒布朗，威斯布魯克和哈登本賽季在進攻端的表現都是超凡脫俗的。但出於某種原因，媒體更多地關注威斯布魯克和哈登的賽季。儘管綜合考慮，勒布朗和他們的進攻數據是在同一檔的。這也是為什麼我覺得倫納德不可能拿到MVP，他創造進攻的能力不如上述三名球員。他的場均得分比三人都低，助攻和籃板更是低的多得多。

終上所述，我認為擁有最多依據支持的MVP領跑者是哈登和詹姆斯。那麼就來看看他倆的數據 單挑吧。

------ ----哈登 ---- 詹姆斯

場均得分: 28.8 ----- 25.9

場均助攻: 11.3 ----- 8.9

場均籃板: 8.0 ----- 8.0

場均封蓋: 0.5 ----- 0.6

場均搶斷: 1.5 ----- 1.3

命中率%: 43.7 ----- 53.9

三分命中率%: 35.1 ----- 39.8

罰球命中率%: 85.3 ----- 68.5

有效命中率%: 52.3 ----- 59.0

真實命中率%: 61.7 ----- 61.4

使用率: 33.7% ----- 29.3%

詹姆斯的使用率遠低於哈登。把他的使用率提升到和哈登相同，那麼他按比例提升後的數據看起來就大不一樣了：

場均得分：29.8

場均助攻：10.24

更不用說，詹姆斯的命中率和效率顯著高於哈登。他的命中率比哈登高出了10個百分點，三分命中率也好得多。除了罰球，他的各項命中率都高於哈登。這事實頗為驚艷，因為哈登通常被看作得分手，而詹姆斯則不然。

詹姆斯的大多數命中數據都幫助球隊頗多，而他的隊友們也得到了更高的使用率，從而變得更好。總體來說，勒布朗應該成為本賽季的MVP。他的賽季表現是生涯最佳之一，卻被威斯布魯克和哈登的表現所掩蓋了。

[–]Netsaydee123 183 指標 12小時前

He"s definitely a major candidate. I just think that people are used to greatness from LeBron, so that"s one reason why he"s not being looked at as much as his stats and team record say he should be.

At the very least, this will probably be his 9th consecutive season being Top 3 in voting, and his 10th overall.

勒布朗絕對是主要候選人之一。我覺得人們習慣於了他的偉大，這是他沒有得到和個人數據與球隊戰績相匹配呼聲的原因之一。

至少，至少，這大概是他連續第九個賽季位居MVP投票前三了，也是生涯總共第十次。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveNightcinder 62 指標 12小時前

This may be his best year ever though

儘管這可能是他最好的賽季了。

[–]WarriorsLeBronIsAFlopper 132 指標 11小時前

2013 was the closest I"ve ever seen to basketball perfection. Scoring, rebounding, passing, jumpers, 3 pointers, defending. LeBron pretty much was top 2 in the league at every single facet of the game. I"ve never seen a player dominate the league as effortlessly that year as he did, not to mention then continuing that into the playoffs and having one of the greatest NBA final game seven performances I"ve ever witnessed. The GOAT regular season in my opinion - and I hate LeBron.

2013版勒布朗奉獻了我見過的最近乎完美的表演。得分，籃板，傳球，跳投，三分，防守。在比賽的每一方面，他幾乎都是聯盟前二。在這賽季之外，我從未見過哪個球員能如此不費吹灰之力地主宰聯盟。更別提他把這份殘暴延續到了季後賽，並打出了我看過的總決賽第七場大戰里最 精彩的表現之一。我心目中的史上最偉大常規賽賽季表演------最後一提我恨詹姆斯。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveNightcinder 75 指標 11小時前

It"s actually a lot closer than you might realize.

其實，勒布朗離完美，比你意識到的還要近得多。

[–]WarriorsLeBronIsAFlopper 47 指標 11小時前

True, this is probably his second best year. I think 13-14 he was crazy good too, started off the season shooting 60-70% fg or something insane the first two weeks.

對啊，當前可能是他的生涯第二好賽季。我覺得13-14賽季他也是厲害得要上天，在開賽前兩周打出了類似百分之六七十命中率的瘋狂數據。

[–]NBAClutch_ 199 指標 12小時前

The case against LeBron :

Harden has better stats and an identical record without 2 all stars.

不利於詹姆斯的論據：

哈登有著更好的數據，不像勒布朗有兩個全明星隊友，卻戰績相近。

[–]JazzMysticStryker 24 指標 7小時前

Yup, and overall record should exceed the seeding.

Rockets are the 3rd seed in the West, and their record with Cleveland is nearly identical. Not to mention Harden never missed games, so that should certainly help his case.

Harden should be the heavy favorite candidate to win MVP right now, and it shouldn"t be close. He has way less help than Lebron, and he plays in the tougher conference and his has team right there with Cleveland in terms of wins and losses.

+1，總戰績應當比分區排名更重要。

火箭是西部第三，而他們的戰績卻幾乎和騎士相同。並且哈登保持著全勤，這肯定對他的競爭有 利。

哈登應該是當前MVP競爭的最熱門人選，甚至不應該有別人和他成膠著之勢。他得到的支援比勒布朗要少，他在更艱難的分區打球，他的球隊在勝負場次上與騎士並駕齊驅。

[–]76ers Bandwagonbrianscalabrainey 34 指標 9小時前

Yup, and the seeding argument doesn"t really make sense since this is the rare year where the 3rd seed in the west is as good / better than the 1 seed in the east (record wise)

+2，關於分區排名的討論其實沒有太大意義。因為這是個西部第三在戰績上不輸於或好於東部第一的罕見賽季。

[–]Rocketsmagecombat54 21 指標 9小時前

And the lebron defense argument doesn"t work either cause lebron doesn"t play defense in the regular season anyways

關於勒布朗防守能力的論據也不作數，因為勒布朗在常規賽不那麼全力防守啊。

[–]WarriorsArondelaAbleton 46 指標 10小時前

Having more points and more assists on a team way worse than the Cavs is insane, and there"s really no argument for Lebron over Harden.

在一支可能弱於騎士的球隊中拿下更多的得分和更多的助攻是瘋狂的。在詹姆斯和哈登的對決中，實在沒有什麼論據是支持詹姆斯的。

[–]Lakersdevomorales 6 指標 11小時前

better pts/asts, but far, far worse efficiency. harden"s shooting splits are below average, and he"s turning the ball over almost 6 times per game. if the cavs finish with a better record, i"d bet lebron takes it.

更好的得分和助攻，但低得多的多的效率。哈登投籃的細分命中率低於平均值，而他每場要送出接近六次失誤。如果騎士在賽季結束時戰績更佳，那我打賭MVP是勒布朗的。

[–]NBAClutch_ 68 指標 11小時前*

Far worse efficiency?

Harden true shooting - 61.4

Lebron true shooting - 61.7

And you sort of just gloss over the fact that he has 2 stars with him.

低得多的效率？

哈登真實命中率-61.4

勒布朗真實命中率-61.7

同時對勒布朗有兩個全明星隊友這點，你好像有點閃爍其詞。

[–]Celticsnba24-7 269 指標 12小時前

LeBron has the right to win it every year and he would deserve it every year. Media and fans just don"t want to see it. We know he deserves it but voters" fatigue and his continued greatness just being taken for granted is what is stopping him from being a 10 time MVP.

勒布朗每年都有權贏得MVP，每年都配得上MVP。媒體和球迷只是不想看到這種情形而已。我們都知道他值得拿到MVP，但投票人的選美疲勞和他持之以恆且理所當然的偉大成為了他摘下10次MVP的阻礙。

[–]New Jersey NetsKami_123[S] 88 指標 12小時前

But it"s been 3 years since his last mvp tho. I think voter fatigue is gone

然而離他上次獲得MVP已經有三年了。我覺得投票者們的審美疲勞應該過去了。

[–]Celticsnba24-7 231 指標 12小時前

His greatness is just taken for granted.

他的偉大總是被忽視

[–]SpursQeheen 24 指標 10小時前

Harden and Kawhi are doing so much without another all star/ 2 other 20 ppg scorer

哈登和倫納德在沒有全明星，或另兩個20+分得分手的前提下，已經做了非常多的事。

[–]averygoodbadrapper 4 指標 10小時前

Thoughts on Aldridge sir?

老哥，對於馬刺隊里那個阿爾德里奇有啥看法么？

[–]SpursQeheen 13 指標 10小時前

got chubby, slower, heavily inefficient his average game consists of shooting like 5/12. Still a great clutch rebounder, but on most nights he ends up being our 3rd or 4th best player

刺蜜：胖了，慢了，很低效，日常充斥著12投5中之類的投射數據。依舊是抓下籃板的好手，但在大多數夜晚，他以我刺第三或第四好球員的身份完賽。

[–]KenBon3r 10 指標 6小時前

1) LeBron is playing on a team with multiple all-stars while Harden is the only all-star on his team. So of course the Cavs will have a higher winning percentage than Houston.

2) How are you going to hold the Rockets" bench against Harden"s MVP campaign? Their bench became phenomenally better this season because of good management and the addition of D"antoni. The Cavs" also have a decent bench due to LeBron"s high requests for playmakers.

3) Let"s not forget the historic season Harden is having, multiple 50+ point triple doubles including a 50+/15+/15+ game (the only player ever to do so), while having a high winning percentage.

I have very high respects for LeBron, Kawhi, and Russell, but I firmly believe that Harden is going to win MVP this year.

1）勒布朗和多位全明星同隊作戰，而哈登是他隊里唯一的全明星。所以騎士的勝率當然會好於火箭。

2）你要怎麼在哈登的奔向MVP之路上抓住火箭的替補席不妨呢？這賽季他們的替補大幅強化，是因為運作有方和德安東尼的加成。騎士因為勒布朗對進攻組織者的高要求，同樣有著相當好的板凳席。

3）我們別忘記哈登正身處一個歷史級的賽季。數場50+得分的三雙，包括一場50+得分15+助攻15+籃板的比賽（史上唯一一個能做到這點的球員），同時維持著高勝率。

我對勒布朗，小卡和威少有著十足的尊重。但我堅信哈登會贏得這賽季MVP的。

[–]LakersTheingloriousak2 65 指標 11小時前*

Lebron and harden have the same true shooting percentage

Harden averages more points and assists...tied for rebounds

Harden doesn"t have two all star teammates

Teams have similar records

So just stop this bullshit

詹姆斯和哈登有著相近的真實命中率，

哈登場均得分和助攻更多...籃板打平，

哈登沒有兩個全明星隊友，

球隊戰績相近，

所以別再瞎攪和了。

[–]RaptorsDeKobe-DeBryant 14 指標 12小時前

Nice argument, this is why I have LeBron at #2 in my race over Westbrook.

There"s only been 2 times where a MVP has won as a 3rd seed, so Westbrook as a 7th seed really decreases his odds.

It"ll come down to Harden and LeBron, and they have 2 more matchups coming up and are close in terms of record.

That will be huge.

有理有據，這也是為什麼我在詹姆斯和威斯布魯克的競爭里把詹姆斯排在第二。

史上僅有兩次，MVP被分區第三的當家斬獲。因此威斯布魯克的分區第七排名大大降低了他的獲獎幾率。

於是就來到了哈登和詹姆斯的對決，他們還有兩場直接對話即將到來，並且球隊戰績接近。

這將至關重要。

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