大帝豪言：還遠未達到期望水平|恩比德能否助76人完成重建？

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大帝豪言：還遠未達到期望水平|恩比德能否助76人完成重建？

Joel Embiid: "During the two years I missed, I don』t think anybody expected that I could play this well. I don』t think I』m anywhere close to where I want to be or that I』m good enough yet." (slamonline.com)

大帝：」在我錯過的兩年里，沒有人會想到我能打得這麼好。並且我依舊覺得我離我想達到的，或者說我應該能達到的差了很遠。

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[–][ATL] Josh ChildressTittyBoyTellEm 410 指標 11小時前

I think a lot of people didn"t expect him to play at all after the announcement of his second year ending injury. Hope he can stay healthy for the next few seasons.

我覺得在他第二年報銷後很多人根本不指望他能繼續上場。希望大帝接下來幾年裡能保持健康。

[–]PistonsProbably_wrong_AMA 279 指標 10小時前

I think there are a lot of people that still don"t expect him to play that much more. I know I don"t. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don"t have high hopes.

大部分人都不會認為他還能打這麼多場的，我就不覺得他能。當然我希望他能證明我錯了，但我對他還是沒有抱特別高的期望。

[–]76erspackimop 13 指標 8小時前

The good news is that the meniscus tear is completely unrelated to his previous injuries which were all stress-related breaks. This one he just landed awkwardly. I would be freaking out if he had another issue with his back or foot, but I"m not so worried because it"s a meniscus, which happens to a lot of players.

好消息是這次的半月板撕裂和他之前那應力性的舊傷沒有絲毫關係。 他這次就是落地時姿勢比較奇怪受傷的。假如他還有背傷或腳傷我就會很擔心，但很多球員都會半月板撕裂，我覺得沒什麼。

[–]76ersTU_Vesthis 88 指標 10小時前

Trading Embiid is very much a zero-sum game. Either the team that gets him gets a healthy Embiid and the Sixers get absolutely fucked, or he isn"t healthy and the team that gets him gets fucked.

Personally, even if it were a 1% chance, I want whatever odds are that Embiid has a relatively healthy career. If we traded him this summer, that would be the final straw for me.

76人球迷：交易大帝是沒有意義的。假如說他以後很健康，我76人就吃大虧了，假如他以後還是玻璃，得到他那隊就吃大虧了。

我個人來說還是希望他能有一個相對健康的生涯的，即使只有1%的可能。如果夏天真的交易他，那我失望透了。

[–]JACJet 92 指標 9小時前

If you trade one of the greatest basketball prospects of the last decade because of a non-surgical meniscus tear then you should be rolled up into a sack and beaten with bars of soap

如果哪個人只是因為不用手術的半月板撕裂就交易掉了過去幾十年最值得期待的球員，那他大概要被人裝進麻袋，用肥皂群毆了。

[–]76ersSkigazzi 59 指標 9小時前

As a sixers fan, you ALMOST convinced me they should trade him just to see management rolled up in a sack and beaten with bars of soap

作為76人粉，我差點就願意覺得 如果能把管理層放進麻袋並用肥皂打，我們可以去交易大帝。

[–]LakersKsanti 8 指標 10小時前

Equally though, what if a team decides "Fuck it we"re not going anywhere let"s go all in on Jojo and hope it pans out" and offers him a max?

For a team like Philly that really wants to be building to a championship roster over the next 5 years, if Embiid isn"t particularly healthy next year, that"s a really hard decision to make.

設身處地地想，假如有一隊說勞資誰tm都不信，就信大帝。並且給大帝開出了頂薪。

對於76人這種想在5年內組建爭冠陣容的（笑死我了。。），假如大帝明年不能保持健康，那他們就要面臨一個很艱難的抉擇了。

[–]76ersTU_Vesthis 16 指標 10小時前

Then we gotta max him, I guess. Obviously biased but I am totally okay with living & dying with Embiid. He"s what the process was all about. And especially that Noel is gone now, it"s not like we have other options to replace him.

76人球迷：那我猜我們也會匹配頂薪的。雖然有失公允，但我願和恩比德出生入死！他就是那道指引我們重建就是為了這樣的球員啊！並且諾爾走了我們也沒有替代恩比德的選擇了呀。

[–]Trail Blazersstarfox112 15 指標 9小時前

But that is exactly what the process is NOT about, the process is getting as many opportunities for a championship team and putting eggs in as many baskets as possible. If they go all on in embiid(not saying they shouldn"t) and it fails the entire thing is a waste. The sixers are still set up well to be a good team even without embiid and should plan to build the roster without him because he is so good he can play with anyone, so if he stays healthy just put him in and he will dominate but if he can"t play they need to be very ready for that.

開拓者球迷：重建不是這麼玩的，應該是有很多潛力股並且沒人都有打成明星的可能。如果你們全押寶恩比德（我不是說這麼不應該）結果卻失敗了，那不是浪費了好多年？76人沒有恩比德也重建得還行啊。恩比德很棒能跟任何人一起打球，所以76人應該計劃建立一個沒有恩比德的陣容，這樣假如恩比德沒傷病就可以統治球場，恩比德打不了的話76人也不至於手忙腳亂。

[–]76ershellofellowhuman 8 指標 8小時前

The process was about the opportunity to get a guy like Embiid. We already have a guy like Embiid now, and another guy like Simmons, and another supporting piece like Saric, and I trust management with the draft (even if I don"t trust them with much else), so I think we"ll get another "guy" or two this year. It"s not anti-process to lock down a "the guy" once you have him. The process is not about tanking forever.

76人球迷：復興就是有得到恩比德這樣球員的機會！我們已經有恩比德，西蒙斯這樣的球員，再加上薩里奇這樣的輔助陣容，然後管理層大概今年還能抽到1，2個過得去的人吧（當然我們指望不上管理層）。有了恩比德這種球員卻放棄就等於逆著歷史的進程！我們的重建可不是永遠的蟄伏！

[–]76ersFeelfreetoupvote 11 指標 7小時前

The process was about getting more than one Embiid. Thus Simmons.

重建就是再來幾個恩比德這樣的，所以西蒙斯來了。

[–]Mavericksmavdude410 312 指標 10小時前

It"s scary to me how this guy is pretty much 50/50 either going to be Greg Oden or Wilt Chamberlain on steroids

聽說大帝有一半一半的概率成為奧登或者吃了類固醇的張伯倫，細思極恐。

[–]LakersCallToBall 75 指標 6小時前

The dude who has 68 NBA records, 2nd highest scoring average ever, highest rebounding average ever, put up 100 points, 50.4 pts per game in a season, 59 in a half, 27.2 rebounds per game in a season, 55 rebounds in one game, a double-triple-double, 8 quadruple-doubles...

and 37.6 ppg and 27 rebounds per game as a rookie

on steroids?

你是說那個 保持著68項NBA紀錄，歷史第二場均得分，歷史第一場均籃板，單場狂砍100分，單賽季場均50.4， 半場59， 單賽季27.2場均籃板，單場55籃板，單場20+20+20， 8次四雙，然後新秀賽季場均37.6+27的怪物嗎？

然後還吃了類固醇？？？

[–]EastGoldenSpikes 12 指標 2小時前

50.4 pts per game in a season

are we gonna act like 50 points a game is good

場均50.4分，嗯，難道我們要裝作單場50分只是棒棒嗎？

[–]Kingsjennys0 46 指標 8小時前

Wilt Chamberlain on steroids

That"s going way too far. Dude has played 30 games and looked good, but that"s it.. I don"t get why people keep treating Embiid like he"s a superstar. It was a 30game stretch lol.

打了興奮劑的張伯倫。

吹過了兄弟。恩比德只是打了30場比賽並且看著還不錯，但現在的表現也就這麼多。我就不懂為啥有人覺得恩比德也算超巨，才打30場就是超巨哈哈哈。

[–]Morezingis 64 指標 8小時前

A downright historic thirty game stretch only matched by players like Shaq and Wilt, but in less minutes and with a three point shot. Let"s not undermine it. His potential is damn near limitless.

像奧尼爾或者張伯倫這樣的，剛打30場比賽也能看出來是歷史級別的超巨。但大帝可是比他們打得時間更短並且還能投三分。我們別低估了這樣的表現，他的潛力可能永無止境啊。

[–]Warriorssubliminali 30 指標 7小時前

I don"t want to undermine it at all, but Wilt Chamberlain comparisons are still ridiculous at this point. Wilt averaged 46 minutes a game with incredible durability and stamina in addition to countless other attributes. Embiid is the opposite of that so far. Until he can actually play 36 minutes a game, his per 36 numbers are purely hypothetical and he can"t possibly impact the game as an all time great if he"s only on the court half the time.

我不想說他不行，但他現在就和張伯倫比了還是太誇張了，張伯倫場均46分鐘，這種耐艹性和持久性，還有很多別的技能點。恩比德就是個反例。直到他能每場打36分鐘為止，他的所有每36分鐘數據都是理論上的。並且他如果每場只打一半，就根本無法像名宿們一樣改變比賽！

[–]LakersCallToBall 16 指標 6小時前

you"re right

wilt averaged 37pts (58pts in one game)/27rbds (43 in a game and 42 in two others) as a rookie. idk how embiid has more potential

你說得對。

張伯倫新秀賽季場均37分（有一場58分）/27板（一場43個，2場42個）。我是不知道恩比德怎麼更有潛力的。

[–]Kingsclydebino 94 指標 11小時前

Just don"t Greg Oden us

千萬別像奧登一樣啊。

[–]Lakerspickprotection 121 指標 10小時前

Him having a 50% chance at being healthy is very optimistic.

對於恩比德，有50%的機會保持健康就很樂觀了。

[–]CavaliersStosstruppe 21 指標 8小時前

I thought everyone was crazy thinking he"s going to be done as a player, but when it was announced he was missing the rest of this season, I don"t think that claim is too far off. I want to believe he"ll just come back next year as good as ever, but he"s still a big man with foot problems which is one of the biggest risks in basketball.

所有人都好像瘋了似的認為他的職業生涯完結了，當然我聽到他這賽季報銷時也這麼想。我當然希望明年恩比德滿血歸來，但他可是有腳傷啊，腳傷是籃球界的風險最大的。

[–][PHI] Dikembe Mutombotokeallday 19 指標 8小時前

But this most recent injury has nothing to do with his foot

最近這一次可不是腳傷啊。

[–]Horus_P_Krishna_7 33 指標 7小時前

directly related. bad feet lead to overcomensating

有一定的關係，腳傷轉移了。

[–]Raptorsraptor98 20 指標 7小時前

I have chronic knee pain in my left knee as a result of injuring my right knee in a soccer match. Being unable to put weight on my right leg due to the knee led to the left knee being overworked, leading to a ligament tear. Hurts like hell when I run today despite it being injured years ago.

Moral of the story: One injury can easily lead to another seemingly unrelated injury.

我右膝在一場足球賽中受傷了，導致了我左膝長期疼痛。因為我不能把重量放在右腿，我的左膝只能長期過度工作，結果韌帶撕裂了。我很早之前受的傷，但現在一跑還是疼的爹的不認識。

這個故事告訴我們的道理：一次傷病可以很輕易的引發一些看起來毫無關聯的傷病

[–]SirJoeffer 84 指標 11小時前

There"s no doubt that he has the potential to be an all-time great. The problem is that he can"t stay healthy, either because his body can"t take the stress of playing in the NBA or because of the ineptitude of the 76ers medical staff.

他肯定是有成為歷史級巨星的潛力。問題是能不能保持健康，這可能是因為它的身體不能承受nba的對抗，又或者是因為76人的獸醫們。

[–]Fatfitty 65 指標 9小時前

or it could be that they play it safe as possible to an extreme because it plays into the benefit of the tank...

他們可能是向保守到極端了，然後發現報銷恩比德對於擺爛更有利吧。

[–]SirJoeffer 15 指標 9小時前

I was only sort of joking. I know they want to play ot safe, but Jah, Joel, Nerlens, Ben, these guys are were supposed to be cornerstones to the franchise but injuries have kept them out. It just seems weird when an injury that should only keep a guy out for a couple months turns into something that keeps them out for a year.

我開個玩笑： 我知道76人想讓所有人都健康，奧卡福，恩比德，諾埃爾，西蒙斯這些人都應該成為球隊的基石，但傷病使他們遠離球場。一種應該使人休息幾個月的傷病，竟然把這幾個人都弄出去了一年，很奇怪。

[–]Trail Blazersfsm_the_alfredo 17 指標 9小時前

They drafted Nerlens and Joel when they already had injury issues or were recovering from injuries, didn"t they?

Embiid was supposed to be consensus #1 but had that late injury, dropping him into the 6ers lap. They would have been dumb not to take him. Same with Nerlens at the time. He dropped to whatever they ended up taking him at.

諾埃爾和恩比德時被選時就有嚴重傷病或者剛剛恢復，不是嗎？

恩比德本來應該是狀元就因為傷病掉到了76人的懷裡。76人假如還不選難道不是傻？諾埃爾也是，他也掉到了個能被76人選中的位置。

[–]76ersbigsully17 10 指標 8小時前

They drafted Nerlens and Joel when they already had injury issues or were recovering from injuries, didn"t they?

Basically yeah -- they technically made a draft-day trade for Nerlens. That was kind of a double-no-brainer to me. They got Nerlens and a 2014 first rounder for Jrue and rights to Pierre Jackson (who was later traded back to us for rights to Russ Smith, who we now also have back on the 87ers in the D League -- Hinkie days were wild, man...).

諾埃爾和恩比德時被選時就有嚴重傷病或者剛剛恢復，不是嗎？

是這樣的，他們在選秀日為了諾埃爾而交易。在我看來這真是無腦。他們得到了諾埃爾和2014年的首輪，付出了霍勒迪和Pierre Jackson的簽約權（他後來又被還回來了，付出了Russ Smith的簽約權，再之後我們又換回來並放到了D聯賽的87人隊里，辛基就是這麼隨性的男子）

[–]NigeriaBcamaefule 18 指標 10小時前

Probably my favorite young player, but with his injury history; his future is pretty bleak imo.

大概是我最愛的新生代球員了，但是因為他的傷病我覺得他的前景很凄慘啊

[–]SpursJkbdm 31 指標 9小時前

I don"t see embiid playing past 5 years.

In 3 years he"s played 30 games or so

我不覺得他能打超過5年。

這最近3年他才打了差不多30場啊

[–][SAS] Tim Duncanantony1197 19 指標 8小時前

I hope you"re wrong... I really do but.... you have a point.

我希望你錯了，真的。。但是你說的還是有道理的

[–]SpursJkbdm 23 指標 8小時前

The 30 games he played tho....

He is a game changer.

I hope he never misses another game again

在他出場的30場里他改變了比賽。

我希望他不要再錯過任何一場了。

[–][PHI] Dikembe Mutombotokeallday 14 指標 8小時前

His injury this season is more of a freak accident, and if we were actually competing I don"t think he would be missing the whole season.

他今年的受傷是個意外，如果我們真正再比一次我不覺得他會報銷。

[–]Lakerspickprotection 23 指標 11小時前

Hopefully his body allows him to show his full potential. But I would be extremely worried of giving him the 5 year max.

If you only had two options this summer and they were give Embiid the 5 year 151 million max rookie extension or trade him for a pick in the 5-10 range in the draft which do you take?

希望他能真正兌現自己的潛力。但我對於給她5年頂薪很捉雞。

如果你夏天有兩個選項，一個是給5年1億5000萬的最高新秀後頂薪，一個是交易到一個5-10順位，你會選哪個？

[–][SAS] Dejounte Murraykarlmelo_anthony 33 指標 11小時前

Those are both shit ideas

這兩個都夠爛的。

[–]johncenatbh 47 指標 11小時前

No theyre not, they can wait when he becomes a RFA to be certain, they can match any offers

不，他們可以先讓他成為受限制自由球員，然後等著匹配各種合同。

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