耐艹性頂級！哈登過去3年僅缺席一場|耐艹性是巨星門檻？

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耐艹性頂級！哈登過去3年僅缺席一場|耐艹性是巨星門檻？

In his last 3 seasons as a Houston Rocket, James Harden has only missed 1 game. (self.nba)

在為火箭效力的過去三個賽季中，哈登只缺席了一場比賽。

His 1 missed game was due to a flagrant 2 for kicking lebron james. In his 5 seasons, his lowest number of games played was 73. I think what"s amazing is that he"s never taken a "rest" day while also playing league leading minutes his last 2 seasons. He"s incredibly durable (by not missing any games due to injury) and I think that"s a great trait to have in your franchise star. Meanwhile Kawhi has never played more than 72 games a season. Lebron James has never played a full 82 game season. Shouldn"t consideration for MVP include durability and reliability to stay on the court?

唯一缺席的那一場還是因為踢了勒布朗而得到了一個二級惡意犯規從而被禁賽。在他過去的五個賽季里，出場數最少賽季也達到了73場。我覺得最令人震驚的是他從來不選擇輪休，儘管過去兩個賽季里他的場均上場時間都領先全聯盟。他非常的耐艹（從不因傷缺席比賽），球隊的基石型球員擁有這樣的品質顯然是非常可貴的。同時倫納德從來沒有在一個賽季里打過超過72場的比賽。勒布朗也從來沒有82場全勤過。難道評選MVP時不應該把這一點算進去嗎？

[–]LowKeyE0915 551 指標 1 天前

I don"t care what anyone says, durability is underrated!

我不管其他任何人說什麼，耐艹這個屬性一直都被低估了。

[–]user329541826 271 指標 1 天前

Durability is most important thing, that"s why LeBron is that great. Bullet Proof LeBron.

耐艹才是一個球員最重要的品質，這也是勒布朗如此偉大的原因之一，他有著一具金剛不壞的身板。

[–]LowKeyE0915 98 指標 1 天前

That"s exactly why I hold Lebron in such a high regard. How many what ifs have we seen that couldn"t live up to potential due to injuries?

這也正是我對勒布朗評價如此高的原因，因為傷病，有多少極具潛力的新星沒有達到人們的預期。

[–]RaptorsTaxonomyoftaxes 47 指標 1 天前

Derrick Rose

德里克-羅斯

[–]Rocketsmagecombat54 99 指標 1 天前

Tmac and Yao

2009 was our year. Taking the eventual champion lakers to 7 games missing both Tmac and Yao (who only played 1 game). Just having Yao might"ve been enough

（火蜜）姚麥組合:(

2009年本該是屬於我們的一年，在姚麥雙雙缺席的情況下和最終的冠軍湖人大戰7場（姚明只 打了一場比賽），只要姚明能打，結果也許就會不同。

[–]HawksDirtybrd 32 指標 1 天前

Greg Oden. Brandon Roy. So many players who couldn"t escape their falling bodies.

奧登，羅伊，太多球員無法逃脫傷病的魔咒。

[–]Rocketsmagecombat54 11 指標 1 天前

I remember seeing this stat a while back saying the Odom, Aldridge, Roy trio was something like 50-12 or something ridiculous like that. As a rockets fan I"d hate to see that but as a basketball fan I would love to see those 3 healthy together

我還記得以前有人說奧登，阿爾德里奇，羅伊的三人組就能保證50勝的戰績，吹得更厲害的也有。當時作為一個火箭球迷我不想看到他們崛起，但是作為一名深愛籃球的人，我非常期望能看到這個健康的三人組。

[–]johncenatbh 436 指標 1 天前

Considering he has asthma its pretty amazing

再考慮到他還患有哮喘，這簡直不可思議。

[–][deleted] 59 指標 1 天前

He"s so deliberate and on rails. Hard to get hurt with that style.

In action sports the best athletes are the ones who learn how to fall without consistently hurting themselves.

他經常喜歡造犯規，加上地板流的打法使得他不那麼容易受傷。

在運動體育中，最棒的運動員總是那些能夠學會如何在摔倒中保護自己不受傷的人。

[–]CelticsCardinalRoark 1 指標 10小時前

In action sports the best athletes are the ones who learn how to fall without consistently hurting themselves.

Pliability.

在運動體育中，最棒的運動員總是那些能夠學會如何在摔倒中保護自己不受傷的人。

柔軟度。

[–]Maverickspurdnalles 177 指標 1 天前*

I guess you haven"t known many people with asthma? I had it as a kid, and I never missed anything because of it. Some people have it worse than others.

Anyways, Harden has always been stout... It makes sense to me that he"d be insulated against injury because of the extra strength around his joints to carry that extra weight...not to mention the extra effort that it takes to elevate keeping him closer to the ground most of the time.

Oh, and then there"s the defensive effort... Just kiddin y"all. I love watching Haren play. Dude is legit.

我想你們可能並不認識很多患有哮喘的人，我小時候也有哮喘，但這從來沒有阻止我干其他任何事情，每個人的嚴重程度不同，有些人會更嚴重一些。

另外，哈登一直都非常的矮壯...所以對我來說他很少受到傷病的困擾是說的通的，因為在關節處 他比同身高的人有更多的力量去保護自己，以及承擔起那份額外的體重...更不用說他起跳所花費的體力比其他人要更多，從而也促使了他更多的在地面上打球。

喔，另外，還有他在防守端所傾注的精力...只是跟你們開個玩笑哈哈，我喜歡看他打球，他確實有兩把刷子。

[–]Spuuunkymonkey 95 指標 1 天前

I have it and ive missed 20 days of school. All depends on where you live and what the whether is like. Chicago fucking sucks but when i go to Arizona its amazing. I guess some peoples asthma is worse then others though.

我也有哮喘，並因此有20多天沒有去上學。這都取決於你居住的環境和天氣情況。芝加哥的環境簡直糟糕透了，但是當我去亞利桑那的時候，情況就很好了。從而我感覺有些人的哮喘情況會比其他人更嚴重一些吧。

[–]Knicksaoifhasoifha 27 指標 1 天前

Mild asthma, properly treated, is basically nothing for a pro athlete. I had very mild asthma that I grew out of, and my worst symptoms were from going 0-60 in very cold air (like I imagine you might in Chicago). For a guy like Harden who surely keeps up with his treatment, lives somewhere warm, and is smart enough to warm up properly, I would think it doesn"t really affect him.

輕微的哮喘，如果治療恰當的話，對於職業運動員幾乎沒有影響。我之前有過輕微的哮喘，但是最終客服了它。發病最嚴重時的我大概就是在冷天里突然從0華氏度的室外進到了60華氏度的室內（我想芝加哥大概就是這樣的情況吧）。對於哈登這樣的傢伙來說，他肯定一直都在進行恰當的治療，並且居住在相對暖和的地方，足夠聰明的在賽前進行充分的熱身，我認為哮喘其實對他並沒有多大的影響。

[–]Hawkshollaballa 7 指標 1 天前

As a guy with asthma, I have to admit it"s often not a very big deal and you can pretty much overcome it with excercise.

I had an out of the blue, emergency room asthma attack in 3rd grade then got on the inhaler etc system. Started wrestling in 7th grade and was wheezing a bit at the beginning, and was able to power through it with supervision. Never had an asthma attack after that, except for one rogue instance when I was overexposed to a certain allergy.

In fact when I got a physical before going to college (after 6 years of wrestling) I was in the 99 percentile for lung capacity. Physical activity has an amazing effect on how debilitating asthma is.

I"m sure Harden is pretty far from being at the affect of asthma with his regime.

作為一個有哮喘的人，我必須承認這其實並不是個很大的問題，而且通過運動你基本上都能夠客服它。

在我3年級的時候曾經有一次因為哮喘發作而被送進了急救室，全身插著管子。在7年級的時候開始了摔跤訓練，剛開始還是有些喘，但是在教練的指導下渡過了這一關。之後哮喘就再也沒有發作過了，除了有一次我作死自己過度接觸某種過敏原，從而使得癥狀複發。

實際上在進入大學之前（那時我已經進行摔跤訓練6年了）我做過一次體檢，當時顯示肺功能已經達到了99%，體力運動對於治療哮喘有著非常好的效果。

我相信以哈登的打法離受哮喘的折磨還是很遠的。

[–]Nuggetsdogschool 186 指標 1 天前

Do you think we"ll ever see Hardens chin again?

你覺得我們還能再次看到哈登的下巴嗎？

[–]TheEfex 104 指標 1 天前

At this point, I don"t know if he has a chin or if it was absorbed by the beard.

目前來說，我不知道他是否還有下巴，或者已經被他的鬍子所吸收了。

[–]rzpieces 67 指標 1 天前

I am one with the beard the beard is with me

人胡合一。

[–]76ers23isgoat 75 指標 1 天前

Think he leads the league in minutes all 3 seasons too

感覺他已經連續三個賽季在上場時間上領先全聯盟了。

[–]NameNumber7 27 指標 1 天前

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/mp_per_g_yearly.html This year, Lowry is the MPG leader. Last year was harden, 2014-15 was Jimmy Butler.

今年，場均上場時間最多的是洛瑞，去年是哈登，14-15賽季則是吉米-巴特勒。

[–]Rocketsdanny321eu98 38 指標 1 天前

total minutes wiggins is leading

在總時間上的第一則是維金斯。

[–][UTA] Gordon HaywardMrgreenfield 168 指標 1 天前

I forgot who said it, but in the 2015 season where the MVP race was between harden and curry, either Simmons or Lowe explained their vote for Harden using the reasoning of Win Shares. While most people use WS/48 to reflect a players effectiveness, the sheer amount of time spent on the floor for Harden gives credence to the idea that his capacity to play so many games on so many minutes doing so much for his team should be a deciding factor for voting him as MVP over curry. I still think Harden deserved the 2015 MVP.

（爵士蜜）我不記得具體是誰說的了，但是在15年哈登和庫里爭奪MVP時，是西蒙斯還是扎克解釋了他投票給哈登的原因，用的理由是勝利貢獻值，同時絕大多數的人也會用球員的48分鐘勝利貢獻值去評估一個球員的效率。由於大量的出場時間，哈登證明了自己有能力在每一場比賽的每一分鐘中都能為球隊做出貢獻，從而這應該是投他而不是庫里的決定性原因。我仍然覺得2015年的MVP應該給哈登。

[–][HOU] Tracy McGradysyash12 81 指標 1 天前

Normally i say fuck the jazz, but right now, all I can say is thank you.

（火蜜）通常來講，我看到和爵士有關的東西就會讓他們滾，但是現在我只想說，謝謝你啊大兄弟。

[–][NYK] Carmelo AnthonyAir_Jordan10 26 指標 1 天前

Mr. Reliable

「靠得住先生」

[–]ZandrickEllison 90 指標 1 天前

"Shouldn"t consideration for MVP include durability and reliability to stay on the court?"

I agree with this. The way that the NBA shows stats (on a per-game basis) contributes to this problem. Someone who scores 30 points a game (for 50 games) looks like more of a contributor than someone who scored 25 a game (for 80 games). In the NFL, it"s season totals that are looked at, not per game numbers.

「難道MVP的討論不應該包括球員的耐艹性以及出場比賽的次數嗎？」

我同意這一點。同時NBA統計數據的方式（以場均來記）在這方面也有問題。一個場均30分的球員（出場50場比賽）看上去就比場均25分的球員（出場80場比賽）的貢獻多得多。而在NFL，賽季總數才是人們關注的地方，而不是每一場比賽的表現。

[–]San Diego ClipperssdHoodie 18 指標 1 天前

Iron Man. Iron Beard.

鋼鐵胡。

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