控衛vs小前盛世？美球迷熱議當今NBA哪個位置最強！

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The Strongest Position in NBA ? (self.nba)

NBA現今最強的位置是哪個？

It"s definitely between SF and PG. Look at Top 10 (Don"t focus about the order)

Which position is stronger in your opinion ? (Count Harden as PG , and Butler as SF)

這個問題答案肯定在小前鋒和控球後衛之間選一個。下面是這兩個位置的前十名（不要在意排位）

在你看來哪個位置是聯盟最強的？（把哈登算作是控球後衛，把巴特勒算成是小前鋒的話）

小前鋒Small Forward

詹姆斯LeBron James

杜蘭特Kevin Durant

倫納德Kawhi Leonard

阿德托昆博Giannis Antetokounmpo

保羅喬治Paul George

吉米巴特勒Jimmy Butler

海沃德Gordon Hayward

威金斯Andrew Wiggins

安東尼Carmelo Anthony

哈里森巴恩斯Harrison Barnes

控球後衛Point Guard

庫里Stephen Curry

哈登James Harden

威斯布魯克Russell Westbrook

保羅Chris Paul

沃爾John Wall

歐文Kyrie Irving

小托馬斯Isaiah Thomas

利拉德Damian Lillard

洛瑞Kyle Lowry

肯巴沃克Kemba Walker

[–]Pistons BandwagonSnoaH_ 101 指標 17小時前

PG easily. SF is better at the top but once you get past Hayward SF falls off. PG is seriously great up until around 13

很簡單就會選控衛啊，小前鋒的頂尖人才更強一些，但一旦從海沃德再往後看，質量就嗖嗖下降。控衛直到排在第13位的球員都還很強。

[–]Warriorsowlbi 2 指標 12小時前

Really depends on how you define "Strongest". LeBron/KD/Kawhi/Butler/Giannis would destroy any 5 you could put together from the PG list.

這要看你對「最強」是怎麼定義的了，詹姆斯+杜蘭特+倫納德+巴特勒+阿德托昆博的陣容可以摧毀任意五個你從控衛的榜單上選擇的人組成的陣容。

[–]Lakers Bandwagonup_in_trees 17 指標 12小時前

The 5 bigger guys beat the 5 smaller guys at basketball? I"m shocked.

就是說5個大個子打得贏5個小個子咯？真是「吃驚」哦

[–]Wizardsb0flex 60 指標 17小時前

PG is deeper.

SF has more top end talent

控衛位置的儲備更深厚吧。

小前鋒的尖端人才更多。

[–]BlakStatus 9 指標 17小時前

I don"t agree honestly. After Bron, KD, and Kawhi.. there"s a slight dropoff. I don"t think the dropoff on the PG"s happen until after Curry, Harden, West, and Wall.

But then again... just my opinion.

說實話我不是很同意。在詹姆斯，杜蘭特和倫納德之後有一個小小的斷層。而我覺得控衛的斷層是在庫里，哈登，威斯布魯克和沃爾之後的。

強調一下……只是我的個人意見

[–]Wizardsb0flex 20 指標 17小時前

Sure but there"s people who would argue that those are the 3 best players in the league. That"s what I meant by top end talent

是啊，但是人們會說他們是聯盟最好的三名球員，我說的頂尖人才是這個意思。

[–][LAC] Chris PaulOptism 14 指標 17小時前

Ok, not to stir shit but not mentioning CP3? Really?

那個啥，我不是在這攪屎，但是你真的不提一下保羅么？？？認真的？？

[–]BlakStatus 1 指標 17小時前

That"s fair. CP3 is still top tier. I just have those 4 slightly above him. Just my eye test. No stats to back it up or anything.

這話沒毛病，保羅還是最頂尖的一撥。但我只是把他們四個稍微放在保羅上面一點。就是我目測印象流而已。也不是說有什麼數據來支撐這個觀點。

[–][LAC] Chris PaulOptism 9 指標 17小時前

I mean to me the eye test is the only reason CP3 is still competitive with the rest of these players.

對於我來說，目測印象流是讓人覺得保羅還跟其他這些球員能有所競爭的唯一原因。

[–]Timberwolvesdaddock 6 指標 13小時前

Everyone is just bored of cp3 being a top tier pg. He"s been at that level for so long that it"s easy to overlook him. All these cool new guys are breaking out, and Cp3 isn"t some exciting new commodity. Also you are right in that his stats aren"t as mind blowing as other pgs, yet he is clearly the smartest pg if you watch him.

保羅一直是個頂級控衛這件事都讓大家覺得無聊了。他在這個水平上呆的時間太長了，所以大家一不小心就會忽視他。這些酷炫的年輕人們都在爆發，而保羅又不是什麼令人激動的新東西。還有你說的很對，他的數據沒有像其他那些控衛那樣令人吃驚。但如果你看他比賽的話你會發現他很顯然還是最聰明的控球後衛。

[–]Bulls Bandwagonhayabusa- 2 指標 17小時前

There are 4, maybe 5 SFs in the top 10 players in the league, depending on how much you like Giannis. And there are 4, maybe 5 PGs in the league in the top 10 depending on how much you like Wall.

It"s pretty close.

聯盟前十的球員里可能有4，5個小前鋒球員，取決於你有多喜歡阿德托昆博了。同時也有4，5個控衛球員，取決於你有多喜歡沃爾了。

還是相當接近的。

[–]SunsAnotherDrZoidberg 5 指標 17小時前

I think PG is the answer, but I think it would be more obvious if you compared the 10-15 ranges. If Harrison Barnes is 10, who falls in after him? For PG you have guys like Bledsoe, Dragic, Conley, and Hill who are all really strong players. Off the top of my head I struggle to fill in the rest of the SF list.

我覺得是控衛，但我覺得如果你比較10-15位的球員結果會更明顯。如果哈里森巴恩斯排在第十位，那誰排在他後面呢？對於控衛來說，後面還有諸如布萊德索，德拉季奇，康利和希爾這樣也很厲害的球員。但我很難在不加考慮直接說的情況下給小前鋒的榜單補上名字。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 10 指標 17小時前

When Harrison Barnes is taking up a spot then you know the position isn"t that deep.

勇士球迷：當哈里森巴恩斯都上榜的時候，你就知道這個位置天賦沒那麼雄厚。

[–]Doctor_Bob_Barker 8 指標 16小時前

Why? He"s been good this year. Don"t trash him just because he"s no longer on your team.

為啥？他今年還是不錯的，不要因為他不在你們隊里了就噴他。

[–]Raptorspfft123 2 指標 17小時前

Small Forward tends to have a high talent requirement compared to other positions. Lots of small forwards can even play PG, unlike the Raptors who don"t have one. Pointing at you Demarre.

小前鋒較之於其他的位置更傾向於對高天賦有要求。很多小前鋒球員實際上可以打控衛。但猛龍就不一樣，我們猛龍就沒有。對！我就是在針對你，卡羅爾。

[–]jamiesoares13 2 指標 17小時前

Sf has 3 of the top 5 players ( the other 2 are probably point guards). Almost every team has a very talented point guard it"s such an important position, so I am going point guard as my pick.

小前鋒有聯盟最頂尖5名球員里的3名（其他兩名可能是控衛）。幾乎每支球隊都有一個才華橫溢的控球後衛，這是個很重要的位置。所以我還是要選控衛位置。

[–]SpursCharlie_Steve 2 指標 16小時前

There"s way more people in the world 5"9"-6"3" than 6"6"-whatever height Giannis and KD are now, so the average talent of PGs is way higher than the average SF, but if you ask me, the physical advantage of SFs more than makes up for it for me. There"s way more point guards that are offensive stars, and individual offense is more important than individual defense at the superstar level, but once you"re looking at the 2nd or 3rd best players on their team, defense starts to matter a lot more, so edge Small Forwards

這個世界上5尺9寸到6尺3寸這個範圍內的人，比6尺6寸到阿德托昆博和杜蘭特現在的身高這個範圍里的人要多得多。所以控衛的平均天賦水平是比小前鋒的平均水平時要高的，但如果你問我的話，小前鋒球員的身體優勢對於這個問題的幫助可不止抹平這個劣勢這麼簡單。控球後衛里的進攻型球星太多了，在超級巨星這個檔次上，個人進攻比個人防守要重要的多，但一旦你開始關注一個球隊里第二好或者是第三好的球員時，防守一下就重要的多了，所以我覺得控衛勉強勝過小前鋒吧。

[–]RocketsHyperactivity786 2 指標 16小時前

Point guard.

That being said, I think if that if you asked me what the most versatile and the best position I would my star to have, it would be point-forward.

The scarcity of the other positions is often why those other positions get so much money

控球後衛

話說到這，我覺得如果有人問我希望我的球星能去打的功能最多樣也是最好的位置是哪個的時候，肯定是組織前鋒無疑了。

其他位置的人員稀缺是這些位置的球員能拿到這麼多薪水的原因。

[–]PistonsJaerba 2 指標 17小時前

It"s PG, but it"s also important to remember these position titles don"t mean very much anymore.

Lebron and Giannis initiate their team"s offense as much as any of the PGs. They just happen to be taller.

應該是控衛，但同時意識到現在位置之分的意義沒有那麼嚴格這件事也很重要。

詹姆斯和阿德托昆博發起自己球隊進攻的次數不亞於任何一個控衛。他們只是碰巧長的要高一點。

[–]SpursAccelerationGate 2 指標 17小時前

Point-Center: Joel Embiid

控球中鋒：喬爾恩比德

[–]Spursup1993 1 指標 16小時前

Small forward by some way imo, PG is deeper but the 3 players i"d pick to start a championship winning team with right now are all small forwards

我覺得小前鋒在一定方面上要更強吧。控衛這個位置更有深度，但是如果要我選三個現在的球員來組成一支冠軍球隊的話，這三個球員肯定都是小前鋒。

[–][OKC] Andre Robersonwhoami1984 1 指標 15小時前

PG and it"s a relative size thing. A lot more <6"3 dudes so a lot more competition.

控衛就是一個跟體格相關的東西，6尺3寸以下的人多了很多，所以競爭更激烈。

[–]Trail Blazersjaypeejay 1 指標 17小時前

Good question, this is a tough one. Both positions require similar yet exclusive skills.

Talent wise I"d have to say SF. I think that many of SF"s listed could have trained as point guards except they literally outgrew the position. However, no SF in the league could immediately play point and play like CP3 or Wall - they would have needed to mold their game like a PG from a young age. At the same time, no elite PG is big or strong enough to play SF (maaaybe Russ and Wall).

這是個好問題啊，挺難回答的。兩個位置都需要相似但又各自比較獨特的技能。

天賦而論我必須要選小前鋒，我覺得很多這些被列出來的小前鋒都可以像控衛那樣訓練，只不過最後他們會真正意義上長到超出控衛的範疇。不過，聯盟里沒有哪個小前鋒可以立刻像保羅或是沃爾那樣來打組織打進攻——他們會需要重新把自己的比賽方式打造成和一個年輕的控衛一樣。於此同時，沒有哪個精英級別的控衛體格足夠大隻或者足夠強壯可以去打小前鋒。（可能威少和沃爾可以吧）

[–][GSW] Zaza PachuliaDisgruntledAlpaca 3 指標 17小時前

Is Russ really big enough at 6"3 to play SF?

威少6尺3寸的體格真的大到可以去打小前鋒么？

[–]Trail Blazersjaypeejay 4 指標 17小時前

No, not really. I mean if it came down to "we have no one else to play SF, everyone else is injured" he"s probably one of the better options as a PG to move into the 3, imo. But any decent SF would make chopped liver of him as a defender.

不，還是不行的，如果到達了那種「大家都受傷了，沒有人可以打小前鋒」的情況的時候，他在我看來可能是控衛這個位置上去打3號位的比較好的人選之一。但是任何一個優秀的小前鋒都會在他防守的時候把他生吞活剝。

[–][HOU] James HardenWinningsomegames 1 指標 15小時前

I don"t understand why people are saying SF is more top heavy when the top 3 PGs have been front runners in the MVP discussion at least once in the last 2 years, while no one in the SF position has been considered the best player in the league other than LBJ in the last 2 years

我不知道為什麼人們說小前鋒這個位置尖端有很多人才，而聯盟前三的控衛至少在過去兩年間都是MVP評選的領跑者，再加上過去兩年除了詹姆斯，沒有任何一個小前鋒球員被視為過聯盟最強的球員。

[–]Supersonicsfoulweather 3 指標 14小時前

LBJ skews things. If we"re being totally honest, he"s been the best player in league for over a decade.

提起詹姆斯就會讓問題被曲解，如果我們都實話實說的話，他在過去十多年都是聯盟最強的球員。

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