美球迷熱議80年代魔鳥總決成為傳奇經典，騎士勇士能否媲美？

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美球迷熱議80年代魔鳥總決成為傳奇經典，騎士勇士能否媲美？

Why is Bird vs Magic in the finals "legendary" while the Warriors vs Cavaliers is "boring"? (self.nba)

為什麼大鳥 vs. 魔術師的總決賽「堪稱傳奇」，而勇士 vs. 騎士則「索然無味」？

已經有一大堆球迷說今年的這些系列賽無聊，抱怨勇士-騎士的對決毫無懸念，並希望看到聯盟的勢力更為平衡。但如果曆數過往總決賽，你會發現NBA的勢力從不均衡。過去的六次總決賽里都有勒布朗的身影。在這之前我們有一個由馬刺與湖人主宰的十年，再之前是公牛的兩次三連，再之前是標題里的湖人-凱爾特人「傳奇」對位，這些豐功偉業全都備受讚譽。蒼天啊，我甚至看到版塊里的JR們談論熱火有多偉大，儘管當時的他們是籃球史上最被看低的球隊。

為什麼我們為過往的主宰級別隊伍歡呼，但在主宰進行之時卻抱怨？我是灣區人，喜歡勇士，但我想看到一個競爭更激烈的季後賽。我相當期待看到馬刺-勇士能打到搶七。我希望看到小托馬斯面對騎士的防守技高一籌。但我同樣希望看到歷史最偉大的球員之一能對位上聯盟歷史最強大的首發陣容之一。過去兩年的總決賽棒極了，並且將被談論多年。除去寥寥幾輪對決之外，這幾年的其他系列賽可能無聊，但讓我們來享受進行時的「傳奇」籃球，而非沉浸於過去時的美好時光。

A lot of people have been calling these playoffs boring, complaining that Warriors-Cavs is a foregone conclusion, and wanting more parity in the league. But if you go by finals alone the NBA has never had parity. The last six finals have had LeBron in them. Before that we had a decade of dominance by the Spurs and the Lakers. Before that was the Bulls two threepeats. Before that was the aforementioned "legendary" Lakers-Celtics rivalry. All of these remarkable achievements are praised. Hell, I even see people on this sub talking about how great the Heatles were even though they were the most despised team in Basketball when they were playing.

Why do we celebrate the dominant teams of the past but complain about them as they"re happening? I"m from the Bay Area and like the Warriors but I wanted a more competitive playoffs. I was really looking forwards to Spurs-Warriors going to 7. I wanted to see IT run rings around the Cav"s defense. However I"m also looking forward to seeing one of the greatest players of all time go up against one of the best starting lineups the league has ever seen. The last two finals have been amazing and will be talked about for years. These playoffs have been boring outside of a few series but let"s enjoy "legendary" basketball while it"s happening instead of reminiscing about the old days.

[–]LakersContagiousLibra 835 指標 17小時前

"Only boring people get bored." - Klay Thompson

「只有無趣之人才會覺得無聊。」—— 克萊-湯普森

[–]BullsWileyTu 315 指標 16小時前

"....I forgot what I was going to say" - Klay Thompson

「……我忘了自己本來想說什麼了。」—— 克萊-湯普森

[–]Cavalierspjoneill15 1466 指標 17小時前

It"s not. It"s fucking awesome basketball. But it"s boring in that there is no point in watching the rest of the playoffs.

這不是索然無味。這是贊到爆炸的籃球表演。但剩下的系列賽全都不值得觀看，這是無聊的點。

[–]SpursATXBeermaker 445 指標 16小時前*

It also helps that Bird v. Magic came on the heels of the late 1970s NBA, one of the worst eras in the league. The league was floundering, attendance was down, players were doing coke at breakneck speed. It was a mess. Fans were hungry for a classic rivalry.

伯德 vs. 魔術師出現在1970年代末期的NBA，這對他們的傳奇性也有所加成。那是聯盟最壞的時代之一。那時的聯盟的苦苦掙扎，觀眾數量減少，球員以不要命的速度嗑藥。那是一團糟。粉絲們對於當時能夠上演一次經典的對決饑渴難耐。

[–][BOS] Evan Turnerbillbrown96 282 指標 15小時前

Also helps that Bird/Magic played the NCAA final the year before they were drafted

另一加成，是伯德/魔術師在他們選秀前一年在NCAA決賽的交手。

[–]76ersMufasas*河蟹* 547 指標 17小時前

There were 3 Celtics-Lakers Finals. 1984, 1985, 1987.

In 1984, the first round lasted 3 games for the lakers and 4 games for the celtics. The second round lasted 5 games for the lakers and 7 games for the celtics. The conference finals was 6 games for the lakers and 5 for the celtics.

In 1985, lakers swept in the first round, Celtics won in 4. Lakers won in 5 in the second, celtics won in 6. Both won in 5 in the conference finals.

In 87 they both swept in the first round. Lakers won the semi finals in 5 and swept the conference finals. Both of the celtics" series went to 7 games.

Every one of those years involved a more competitive series involving the lakers or the celtics than this year does with the warriors and the cavs.

曾經有三次凱爾特人-湖人的總決賽對陣。1984,1985,1987。

1984年，湖人花了3場比賽過首輪，凱爾特人4場。第二輪，湖人用了5場，凱爾特人7場。分區決賽則是湖人6場，凱爾特人5場。（首輪5局3勝制）

1985年，湖人首輪橫掃，凱爾特人4場勝出。第二輪，湖人5場勝出，凱爾特人6場勝出。都在分區決賽5場取勝。

1987年，他們雙雙在首輪橫掃。湖人半決賽5場勝出，在分區決賽橫掃。凱爾特人接下來兩輪系列賽都花了7場解決戰鬥。

這裡面任意一年，比起今年的勇士和騎士，湖人或凱爾特人都遇到了一輪更激烈膠著的系列賽。

[–]Vancouver GrizzliesSupercoolBeasGOAT 82 指標 16小時前

get ready for the dark ages of the nba. minimum 3 more years of this finals matchup

做好準備迎接NBA黑暗時代的到來。這個決賽對陣少說也得再來個三年。

[–]disckrieg 193 指標 16小時前

Can"t wait to check up on how inaccurate this comment is in 3 years. Because a LOT can happen in that time. LeBron will begin (hopefully) a soft fade out, the era of positionless basketball featuring a dozen 6"10+ guard skilled big men is right on our doorstep, and all it takes is a tweak or two to suddenly put a team like the Bucks or Minnesota on the same path that the 2013-14 Warriors (51-31)* were set on.

*A team, I might add, that featured: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andrew Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, David Lee, Mareese Speights. Sounds pretty familiar right? Nonetheless a team that finished second in their division and exited in the first round behind the Clippers.

等不及在未來三年打臉這個回復有多不準確了。因為這期間能發生很多很多事情。勒布朗會開始（但願如此）慢慢淡出，隨著一幫擁有後衛技巧的6尺10寸以上大個子湧現，籃球的無固定位置時代已經近在我們的門外。一切只需一兩個突然的轉折，一支像雄鹿或者森林狼的球隊就能走上和2013-14賽季勇士（51勝31負）*相同的道路。

*我可能得補充，這支球隊擁有：斯蒂芬-庫里，克萊-湯普森-德雷蒙德-格林，安德魯-博古特， 哈里森-巴恩斯，安德烈-伊戈達拉，大衛-李，馬利斯-斯佩茨。聽上去相當熟悉是不是？雖然這樣也只是一支常規賽賽區第二，在首輪和快船激戰後落敗的隊伍。

[–][MEM] Acie Lawimatthewhitecastle 58 指標 15小時前

a lot can happen but it"d take something absolutely insane for giannis to go from losing in 6 to a team that got swept easily by the cavs, to actually beating the cavs. even the "13-"14. the warriors won 47 and a playoff series in "12-"13. a better comparison would be houston striking gold in the draft/free agency this year, the spurs getting chris paul, or fultz being an all-nba guy from the jump, on top boston adding hayward or griffin.

未來有很多可能，但得在字母哥身上發生些什麼極為瘋狂的事情，才能讓他從被一支被騎士輕易橫掃的隊伍（指猛龍）六場擊敗，進化到真的能夠擊敗騎士。就算是13-14賽季的勇士，也在12-13賽季斬獲了常規賽47勝和一輪系列賽勝利。一個更好的類比可能是火箭在今年的選秀/自由球員市場挖到了金子，馬刺得到克里斯-保羅，或者富爾茨新秀即大腿，同時他所在的強勁凱爾特人增添了海沃德或格里芬。

[–]CavaliersRhokdar 190 指標 17小時前

I don"t think people necessarily think the finals themself will be boring, but rather that both GSW"s and Cavs games so far has been terribly one-sided.

我不覺得人們覺得總決賽本身變得無聊了，重點在於勇士和騎士至今為止的比賽都太過於一邊倒了。

[–]Jonesalot 98 指標 17小時前

Yep, nobody complains about the Finals, they complain about everything else

in the 80s there were probably also alot getting tired of lakers going to the finals 9 times in 12 years, we just dont hear about those people

是的，沒人抱怨總決賽，但總決賽之外的一切都被抱怨。

在80年代，大概也有人厭倦了湖人在12年里9次進入總決賽，我們只是沒聽到那些人的聲音而已。

[–]wise2thaguy 64 指標 17小時前

It"s kind of like porn, except you can"t fast-forward through the boring beginning. The good part is coming though. Once the Cavs and Warriors put on a show, we"ll all bust, be happy, and stop complaining.

這有點像黃-片，除去你不能快進跳過無聊的開頭。不過高潮迭起的部分就要到來。一旦騎士和勇士一同入鏡，我們都會性奮起來，開開心心，以及停止抱怨。

[–]HeatSaint_Jake 113 指標 17小時前*

Purely because it hasn"t happened yet.

If this series goes to 7 it will be regarded among the greatest finals in NBA history and possibly all of sports history.

People are just upset now because this regular season and the playoffs leading up to the finals feel pointless- and to some extent, they have been. When 2 teams go 24-0 in the playoffs with their greatest challenges either taken out by other teams due to advantageous seeding or injuries, it feels kinda silly and just like we"ve been waiting around for the inevitable.

This might be the most talent-heavy championship in U.S. sports history and people will only start to appreciate that once it starts, or maybe not even until 4 or 5 years down the line once these guys are gone or have slowed down their game and we"re back to more mundane matchups like Lakers v Magic.

純粹是因為這對決還沒發生。

如果勇士-騎士的系列賽能達到第七場，這將會被看作是NBA歷史上，甚至可能是體育史上最偉大的決賽。

人們現在的不安只是因為整個常規賽和指向總決賽的季後賽令人覺得毫無意義，而某種程度上，事實就是如此。當兩支球隊在季後賽的戰績是24勝0負，他們的最大威脅要麼因為種子排名有利已經被其他球隊解決，要麼就是對手受困於傷病。這讓人覺得有點蠢，我們就像虛度時光等待不可避免之事到來一樣。

這可能是美國體育史上最天賦滿溢的總冠軍對決，人們會在總決賽開打後立刻讚譽連連，另一種可能是認可會在四五年後才到來。那時候這幫傢伙會離開，或者讓自己的比賽降速，而我們會回到如同湖人 vs. 魔術一般沉悶的總決賽對陣。

[–]BlindedbythePhxSuns 227 指標 17小時前

Because we"re 30 years removed from it so we only remember the Finals clashes instead of the formalities that led to them

因為我們距離大鳥和魔術師的對決已經三十年了，所以我們只記得總決賽的閃光碎片，而非總決賽之前的走過場系列賽。

[–]CelticsRezzful 144 指標 16小時前

Or because the Celtics/Lakers didn"t sweep everyone on their way to the finals?

或者是因為凱爾特人/湖人沒在他們通向總決賽的道路上橫掃任何人？

[–]LakersWillTheGreat 95 指標 14小時前

Lakers and Celtics were contenders amongst several possible contenders. Celtics weren"t always a lock for the finals, Philly was a powerhouse with Dr J and Moses Malone. Bucks were a good team. Then the Pistons suddenly became the bad boys and now they"re a threat out of the east. Then came MJ and the Bulls. Lakers were front runners for the NBA finals, but there were a few opponents that were a threat like Sun"s, Rockets and Trailblazers.

Warriors and Cavs are the front runners to play in the NBA finals and no one else except a healthy Spurs team are even close. Not a boring match up, but a boring lead up.

湖人和凱爾特人是在幾支潛在爭冠球隊之上的爭冠球隊。凱爾特人並不是能一直鎖定總決賽席位，擁有J博士和摩西-馬龍的費城不是省油的燈。雄鹿也是支強隊。然後活塞突然成了壞孩子軍團，也變成了來自東部的一股強力威脅。然後是喬丹和他的公牛。湖人曾經是競爭NBA總決賽入場券的領跑者，但也有幾個可以構成威脅的對手，比如太陽，火箭和開拓者。

勇士和騎士現在是NBA總決賽入場券競爭的領跑者，除了健康的馬刺之外，甚至沒有一支球隊能摸到他們的腳邊。實際上這不是一個無聊的對陣，而是一次無聊的大幅領先。

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