頂級大學控衛對比！鮑爾使用率最低，真實命中率第2，僅次於歐文

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Lonzo Ball has the second highest %TS and the lowest usage amongst top guards since 2010 (imgur.com)

在2010年以後所有大學裡的頂尖後衛中，

郎佐-鮑爾在使用率最低的同時擁有著第二高的真實命中率。

[–]Lakers BandwagonOnlyinVegas 327 指標 21小時前

To play devil"s advocate, he was really good at picking his spots and had a lot of assisted baskets compared to the other guys. Still extremely impressive efficiency, he was over 70% from 2 point range

從反面來說的話，郎佐非常擅長選取自己的得分點，並且相比其他球員來說有很多直接受到助攻的得分。但是仍然非常高效，他的兩分命中率達到了70%。

[–]Lakers BandwagonLandryGroans 163 指標 21小時前

73% from two point. 51% from midrange.

His passing gets talked about a ton (rightfully so), but a lot of people don"t realize he"s one of the best shooters among top picks in recent drafts.

兩分命中率73%，中距離命中率51%。

他的傳球被討論得非常多（當然也值得去討論），但是很多人都沒有意識到他是最近幾年樂透秀中最好的射手之一。

[–]ManuNights 25 指標 21小時前

He barely shoots from mid tho.

Didnt he hit like 12 total midrange shots all season

但是郎佐也幾乎不怎麼投中距離。

難道不是整個賽季他才命中了好像12記中距離投籃嗎？

[–]Lakers BandwagonLandryGroans 31 指標 21小時前

He shot 22. Made 12. Yes. Not really an issue especially in the Lakers" office.

是的，他投了22次，命中了12次。但是這並不是個問題，尤其是在湖人。

[–]HeatSoulCrusher69 14 指標 20小時前

Lakers office don"t take no mid range jumpers.

湖人不需要中投手。

[–]ManuNights 3 指標 20小時前

Becuase teams will just do what the spurs did to the rockets and force him to shoot from mid

然而球隊們就會像馬刺對待火箭這樣，強迫郎佐去出手中距離投籃。

[–]RocketsWillyTanner 17 指標 20小時前

Exactly this, people are just trying to find reasons why they think Lonzo will fail.

He"s a pass first PG who can shoot well from mid range if he has to, but the odds are he isn"t going to have to shoot from there often

正是這樣，人們總是努力尋找郎佐會失敗的理由。

他是個傳球優先的PG，如果有必要的話，郎佐也能夠在中距離表現得很好，但是事實是他並不會經常需要從那裡出手。

[–]CavaliersKid_Kryp-to-nite 91 指標 21小時前

He also has good upside as a defender.

I haven"t watched nearly enough of Fultz yet, but I"m sort of surprised he"s such a clear cut #1 to most people. Ball is a great prospect.

同時他作為防守者的上限也很高。

我目前為止還沒怎麼看富爾茨打球，但是我非常吃驚為什麼在大多數人眼中富爾茨就是毫無疑問的狀元，郎佐是個非常有潛力的新秀。

[–]greengiant89 16 指標 20小時前

So he knows how to play basketball efficiently? Isn"t that exactly what the stats say?

所以他知道如何高效的打球唄？難道這不正是這個數據想要說明的東西嗎？

[–]Bullsdamesgame 2 指標 13小時前

I"ve been wary of putting a lot of stock into college efficiency stats ever since Derrick Williams put up 20 ppg on 70 ts% in college. NBA is an entirely different game and I"m not to sure his offense will translate.

自從德里克-威廉姆斯在大學裡場均砍下20分，真實命中率達到70%後，我對待大學籃球效率值相關的數據就非常謹慎了。NBA是一個完全不同的聯盟，我不確定郎佐的進攻能夠順利得過渡。

[–][GSW] Andre Iguodala7heMA77 56 指標 22小時前

I"m more shocked that Kyrie Irving was the player who stopped it at 2010.

I can"t believe he had a 69.7 TS%

更讓我感到吃驚得是歐文居然是2010年後大學中真實命中率最高的後衛。

我更不敢相信他居然達到了69.7%。

[–]Easttrump_and_durant 387 指標 22小時前

Wtf Kyrie. Guess that"s why he went first only playing 11 games

我的天，歐文，我想這就是他只打了11場比賽就被選成狀元的原因吧。

[–]AveryBeal 241 指標 22小時前

Thats kind of a small sample size though. I think Ball doing it for an entire college season is a whole lot more impressive.

但是歐文的樣本量太小了，我覺得郎佐一整個大學賽季都打出這樣的表現更有說服力。

[–][CHI] Michael JordanBlackMathNerd 84 指標 21小時前

Good point, but man everyone knew going into the season that Kyrie was going 1. His play on the court confirmed it, injuries be damned.

很好的觀點，但是當時當大學賽季開始時，每個人都知道歐文將是狀元秀，他在球場上的表現也證明了這一點，只不過傷病太操蛋了。

[–]Lakerskobe4forever 12 指標 20小時前

No this is not true, Kyrie Irving was not considered the first overall selection coming into college. It was Harrison Barnes that was projected to be the next Kobe Bryant. Kyrie was not a clear cut 1st overall option coming out of HS.

其實並不是這樣，大學賽季剛開始時歐文並不是公認的狀元，哈里森-巴恩斯當時被認為是下一個科比-布萊恩特。剛從高中畢業時，歐文並不是明顯的狀元。

[–]Warriorsaaahhhh 58 指標 21小時前*

Not exactly. Harrison Barnes was the top rated prospect and the assumed top pick. But he underperformed and Kyrie did enough in 11 games to show that he was going to be a superstar.

也不是這樣，當時巴恩斯獲得的評價非常高，而且也被認為是樂透秀，但是他沒能打出應有的表現，倒是歐文在僅有的11場比賽里顯示出了他肯定會成為一名超級球星的。

[–]Lakers BandwagonLordBaldomero 51 指標 22小時前

No surprise Dunn shot is still awful

並不吃驚現在鄧恩的投籃仍然很糟糕。

[–]PistonsGraemeTaylor 95 指標 22小時前

Ball is amazing.

郎佐不可思議。

[–]Thunderfreebase1 78 指標 22小時前

Hes a good kid, but his dad is making everyone hate him

他是個好孩子，但是他的爸爸讓所有人都討厭他。

[–]PistonsGraemeTaylor 135 指標 22小時前

Which I can"t understand. Are people incapable of separating the two in their minds? Nothing that LaVar has said has impacted my image of Lonzo.

這點就是我不明白的地方，難道人們無法分辨出他們倆嗎？拉瓦爾說的任何事情都不會對我對郎佐的印象產生絲毫影響。

[–]Thunderfreebase1 42 指標 21小時前

Lol same here, but not everyone is capable of that i guess

哈哈哈哈，我也是，但是我想並不是每個人都能做到這一點。

[–]Magicjoshmcd13 13 指標 21小時前

I don"t want to see Lonzo fail but I want his dad to have to eat his words. So I"m conflicted

我不想看到郎佐失敗，但是我喜歡他的爸爸吞下每一個他說的詞，所以我的內心很矛盾。

[–]KingsSaltynutsinyourmouth 6 指標 20小時前

They are. The kids gonna be so good and everyone will be smug and not want to admit it cause they hate his dad

正是這樣，這孩子將會變得非常棒，每個人都會滿意，但是因為對於他爸爸的憎恨，所以大家都不會想承認他家的孩子。

[–]Lakersreigningnovice 9 指標 21小時前

I"m not a fan of LaVar.. But people act like he makes them acts like robots too. They actually have pretty cool personalities and rag on each other on live streamers. Seems like the kids can be unfiltered.

They have 1mill+ followers on Instagram that"s pretty hard to do without playing a single NBA game. I mean.. look at Bradley Beal.. Good lookin.. Good team.. Super hot girl.. Doesn"t have much of a following. Not sure if that matters but Ball Bros have something going for them

我不是拉瓦爾的粉絲...但是人們表現得好像他讓孩子們成為了自己控制的機器人一樣，實際上這三兄弟都有著不錯的性格，而且在直播中互相都非常嗨。看上去他們能夠不受拉瓦爾的影響。

他們在Instagram上有超過一百萬的關注者，考慮到郎佐還一場NBA比賽都沒有打，達到這一點就已經非常困難了。我的意思是，看看比爾吧...帥小伙...強隊...超級火辣的女友...都沒有他們這麼多的關注者，不確定這是否重要，但是顯然鮑爾三兄弟們有著自己獨特的地方。

[–]Cavaliers Bandwagonashishvp 24 指標 21小時前

And DLo was 3rd. Dat efficiency...I can"t wait!

I literally could not give a flying fuck about his dad. Everyone is blowing him way out of proportion. No matter what he says off the court, you won"t see him where it matters.

德安吉洛-拉塞爾排在第三，郎佐太高效了...等不及看他的表現了。

實際上我根本不在乎他的爸爸，每個人對於拉瓦爾的反應都太過激了，不管他在場下說了些什麼，在真正重要的球場上，你是不會看到他的。

[–]Knicks Bandwagonthemariokarters 91 指標 22小時前

I"ve said it before and i will keep saying it. He is the best player in the draft, Boston needs to draft him

我之前就說過，而且我會一直這麼說，郎佐是這屆選秀中最好的球員，凱爾特人需要選他。

[–]lebryjamy 37 指標 22小時前

im so with u. love how lonzo plays, every kid could learn something from this guy. also this dad story is funny, i dont get how people get mad over it lol.

我非常贊同你，喜歡郎佐打球的方式，每個小孩都能從他身上學到一些東西，另外他爸爸的故事也非常有趣，我無法理解為什麼人們對此感到生氣，哈哈哈。

[–][HOU] James Harden20MD20 23 指標 21小時前

His dad stuff is honestly entertaining. I actually kind of like hearing lavar on TV it"s just fun stupid stuff

講道理來說他爸爸真的很搞笑，我實際上還蠻喜歡看到他爸爸上電視的，因為他說得都是些非常搞笑的愚蠢的事情。

[–][LAL] D"Angelo Russellswaggerqueen16 37 指標 21小時前

Yeah, but then he says stupid mean shit about Kyrie, then more sexist shit.

I can appreciate him manipulating the ESPN system, but he needs to know where the line is

雖然是這麼說，但是之後他就對歐文說了那些愚蠢惡毒的話，之後又是性別歧視。

我讚賞他利用ESPN系統的行為，但是他需要知道底線在哪。

[–]Wizardsireddit270 36 指標 22小時前

I think Ball is the best college player entering the draft, but he won"t be the best NBA pro.

我覺得郎佐是這屆選秀中最好的大學球員，但是他不會成為最好的NBA職業球員。

[–]Lakerscoupdevent 10 指標 18小時前

Yeah his game is tailored to the prep/college game, where there"s tons of open space and lots of run and gun. Things get more compact at the professional level, which is why a crafty PnR guard like Fultz is going first.

是的，他的比賽風格就是為預備級/大學比賽量身定做的，那裡有超級多的空間和炮轟。

職業籃球就不會是這個級別的水平了，這也是像富爾茨這種擅長擋拆的後衛會被優先選走的原因。

[–]Magicjoshmcd13 49 指標 21小時前

A lot of people don"t watch college basketball. People who actually watch it and don"t just repeat narratives know he"s an outstanding player.

很多人都不看大學籃球的，那些真正看了比賽的人不會重複這些討厭的輿論，並且知道郎佐是個出色的球員。

[–]Wizardszrt 36 指標 18小時前

He"s an outstanding player, but Fultz is still a better AND safer pick.

郎佐確實是個出色的球員，但是富爾茨仍然是個更好，而且更安全的選擇。

[–]Cavalierseunit8899 5 指標 14小時前

I"m willing to bet 95% of people who are saying the Lakers should pass on Lonzo because of Lavar haven"t seen the kid play. The dude is incredible.

我打賭那些說湖人不應該因為他爸爸而選擇郎佐的人中，有95%都沒見過這孩子打球，他在場上就是太不可思議了。

[–]KingsSaltynutsinyourmouth 17 指標 20小時前

Exactly. Cannot agree more, they"re reading headlines and not judging his play. I watched him live against the Utes and he controlled every aspect of the game on both ends. I"ve never seen a player control the pace of a game so well

正是這樣，不能更同意了，他們只是讀著新聞頭條，而不是根據郎佐的表現作出判斷。我在現場看過他對陣猶他大學時的表現，郎佐在攻防兩端控制了比賽的每一個方面，我從來沒有看到任何一個球員像他這樣出色的控制比賽節奏。

[–]CelticsBeta_boy_94 25 指標 21小時前

There"s really no guarantee his game will totally translate to the NBA. That"s true for all college players, and it"s why when it comes to college prospects, usually athletic upside is more important than college performance. Just because Ball was the better college player doesn"t mean he"ll be the better NBA player.

但是你無法保證他的比賽能夠完全轉變到NBA中，這對於所有大學籃球運動員來說都是一樣的，這就是為什麼對於大學籃球運動員來說，相比在大學裡的表現來說，通常運動能力的上限才是更重要的。僅僅因為郎佐是更好的大學籃球運動員並不意味著他就會成為更好的NBA球員。

[–]Lakersb1indsamurai 14 指標 20小時前

Ball is pretty athletic though.

但是郎佐的運動能力挺強啊。

[–]CelticsBeta_boy_94 26 指標 20小時前

Not as athletic as Fultz. Can"t get to any spot on the floor with ease like Fultz can. Ball is mostly great on the break.

並沒有富爾茨強，他並不能像富爾茨那樣輕鬆的到達球場上任何一個位置。郎佐更多的是在快攻中發揮自己的長處。

[–]Pistonshoodrat_69 6 指標 19小時前

well yeah, but the point is that his athleticism won"t be the reason he fails if that"s what ends up happening

雖然是這樣，但是關鍵在於他的運動能力並不會成為他失敗的原因，如果最終的結果是這樣的話。

[–]CelticsBeta_boy_94 5 指標 19小時前

It could easily be the reason he doesn"t turn out to be a star.

但是很容易就會變成他無法成長為球星的原因。

[–][HOU] Trevor ArizaLOLOK12 6 指標 22小時前

Where does he rank among the other guards in assist and turnovers? I don"t watch college ball but I read he was a "floor manager". If he has more assist and less turnovers it"ll just mean hes a good facilitator and won"t increase his usage%

在助攻和失誤上，他在其他大學後衛中排名如何？我沒怎麼看大學籃球，但是我聽說他是個「球場指揮官」，如果他有著更多的助攻和更少的失誤的話，那麼便意味著在不增高他的使用率的前提下，他也是個出色的組織者。

[–]finaldeathh 11 指標 22小時前

He averaged 7.6 assists and 2.5 turnovers. I"m not sure how that compares to the other top PG prospects.

郎佐場均7.6個助攻，2.5次失誤，我不確定相比選秀中其他的後衛而言，這個數據怎麼樣。

[–]Lakers BandwagonOnlyinVegas 12 指標 22小時前

Definitely up there. If you compare it to the nba AST/TO ratio it"s good for 8th among point guards this past season.

顯然很高就是了，如果你對比NBA的助攻失誤比的話，郎佐的這一數據在上賽季所有控衛中排名第8。

[–][BOS] Marcus Smartgbeckwith 6 指標 16小時前

I was shocked that Fultz had a better Ast% and lower Turnover%

我非常吃驚富爾茨居然有著更高的助攻率和更低的失誤率。

[–]RocketsAndreslargo1 10 指標 19小時前

just wondering, isn"t high ts% on higher usage more impressive?

只是好奇，難道不是在高使用率下的高真實命中率才更有說服力嗎？

[–]WarriorsIggyNumberOne 14 指標 19小時前

Having a usage that low means your efficiency SHOULD be higher. They"re inversely related. I think it"s kinda worrying, indicating his efficiency won"t translate to a higher workload.

在使用率如此之低的情況下便意味著你的效率應該高一些，這兩者是負相關的關係，我覺得這實際上值得擔心，暗示著他的高效並不能轉化到高使用率上。

[–]KnicksE-Miles 11 指標 22小時前

Lonzo"s 3 point shot was undeniably great, but of the guards this year, he had most of his shots at the rim assisted, and low USG% usually lends itself to efficiency.

郎佐的3球毫無疑問是出色的，但是在今年其他的後衛中，郎佐在籃筐附近絕大多數的得分都是受到隊友助攻完成的，而且低的使用率通常都會轉化成高效的表現。

[–][MIA] LeBron JamesDwyaneWade305 58 指標 22小時前

Lol the Sub has fallen for Lavar Ball propaganda lmao. Fultz > Ball.

哈哈哈，reddit已經陷入到拉瓦爾的宣傳運動中了，富爾茨>郎佐。

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