賈巴爾勝場數比喬丹和詹姆斯出場數還多！NBA歷史一陣該如何排？

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賈巴爾勝場數比喬丹和詹姆斯出場數還多！NBA歷史一陣該如何排？

[stats] Kareem has more wins than Lebron or Jordan have Games Played (self.nba)

賈巴爾生涯勝場數比詹姆斯和喬丹的出場數都要多

1074 wins

Lebron has played in 1061, jordan 1072

Only 3 have 1000+ wins, only 5 have at least 900 and only 16 have at least 800

1074勝

詹姆斯生涯出場1061場，喬丹1072場

另外，NBA歷史上僅有3人達成千勝，5人達到900勝，16人達到800勝

[–][LAL] Brandon IngramAllOfASudden101 494 指標 22小時前

Slightly off topic but my appreciation for Kareem, Magic, Bird went up so much after watching that Lakers and Celtics documentary.

That being said, in my personal rankings I have MJ, Bron and Kareem in tier 1 all by themselves.

請允許我稍稍跑偏。看了當年湖凱爭霸的紀錄片之後，我對天勾賈巴爾、魔術師約翰遜、大鳥伯德的敬意更深了。

但是我想說的是，以我個人的意見，我會把喬丹、詹姆斯、賈巴爾排在歷史第一檔。

[–]Dalamari 37 指標 18小時前

Same, watching Kareem destroy an all-time Celtics squad at near 40 moved him up my GOAT list

同意，看到快四十歲的賈巴爾摧毀全盛時期的凱爾特人防線，很難把他排出我的歷史最佳名單之外。

[–]WarriorsAverybradleyisCJ 7 指標 12小時前

Those 86/87 teams both celtics and lakers were imo the greatest of all time. Honestly i don"t think the bulls belong in that conversation. Yes they won 72 games but that was after an expansion and talent vs talent i think those 80s teams win out.

我認為，86/87賽季的凱爾特人和湖人都是史上最強。而且，說實話我並不覺得當年的公牛可以與他們相提並論。沒錯，他們拿下了72勝，但那是在聯盟擴軍之後了。要比天賦，80年代的湖凱可以完勝那支公牛。

[–]CelticsMexter-Dorgan 1 指標 3小時前*

Starting 5 matchup would be:

85-86 Celtics - 95-96 Bulls

PG - Dennis Johnson - Ron Harper (Giving that one to DJ)

SG - Danny Ainge - Michael Jordan (Giving that to MJ)

SF - Larry Bird - Scottie Pippen (Giving that to Bird)

PF - Kevin McHale - Dennis Rodman (I want to say McHale, but I respect Rodman too much. Push)

C - Robert Parish - Luc Longley (Parish)

Also DJ would be on MJ for sure. Ainge would be on Harper I"d imagine.

EDIT:

Then for Lakers you have

Magic

Byron Scott

James Worthy

AC Green

Kareem

首發五人對位：

85-86凱爾特人VS95-96公牛

PG: 丹尼斯-約翰遜VS羅恩-哈珀（約翰遜勝）

SG: 丹尼-安吉VS邁克爾-喬丹（喬丹勝）

SF: 拉里-伯德VS斯科蒂-皮蓬（伯德勝）

PF: 凱文-麥克海爾VS丹尼斯-羅德曼（我傾向於麥克海爾，但我對羅德曼充滿敬意。繼續）

C: 羅伯特-帕里什VS盧克-朗利（帕里什勝）

當然，丹尼斯-約翰遜也會對上喬丹，安吉也會與哈珀對位。

編輯一下：

湖人隊陣容：

魔術師約翰遜

拜倫-斯科特

詹姆斯-沃西

AC-格林

賈巴爾

[–]LakersDarkSoulsDarius 7 指標 13小時前

I believe Magic belongs in that tier as well. I know his defense wasn"t as good, but my god that man was an offensive juggernaut and he didn"t even need to be an all time great scorer for that to be true. Hell if he had worse teammates he"d probably be a 30 PPG guy as well since he had a good post game and was good at driving.

我覺得魔術師也屬於歷史第一梯隊。我知道，他的防守不是那麼強，但是，我的天，這傢伙在進攻端簡直無解，而且這一點魔術師並不需要成為歷史級別的得分手便能夠證明。見鬼，要是他的隊友稍微差一點兒，憑他的低位技術和突破能力，也能場均30+。

[–]Hawksazuresou1 200 指標 18小時前

I think KAJ, MJ, and LeBron are the locked Top 3, and how you rank them depends on how you value longevity vs. peak dominance.

All due respect to Wilt and Russell but they"re just too far removed from modern basketball.

我認為賈巴爾、喬丹、詹姆斯是沒有爭議的歷史前三，而這三個人裡面具體怎麼排，取決於你更看重生涯持久度還是巔峰期的統治力。

非常尊敬張伯倫和拉塞爾，只是他們離現代籃球的距離太遠了。

[–]Netsj_cruise 73 指標 18小時前

Now this is an opinion I can respect.

你說的很有道理。

[–]RadioOnThe_TV 39 指標 17小時前

Wilt played against Kareem near the end of his career. He』s not that far removed especially if KAJ isn』t.

張伯倫在生涯末期與賈巴爾交過手。他並沒有你們想像的那麼古老，尤其是賈巴爾都還在現代籃球的考慮範圍內。

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 11 指標 15小時前

Kareem"s rookie year:

Kareem -- 28.8-14.5-4.1 on 51.8% FG

Wilt -- 27.3-18.4-4.1 on 56.8% FG (albeit injured after 12 games)

賈巴爾新秀賽季（69-70賽季）中：

賈巴爾：28.8+14.5+4.1, 命中率51.8%

張伯倫：27.3+18.4+4.1, 命中率56.8%（僅打了12場後受傷）

[–]QUEST50012 9 指標 13小時前*

And Kareem had some of his toughest games against Wilt. And this was passed his prime, post knee surgery Wilt, and he still gave you the sense he could dominate Kareem if he was in his prime. Wilt and Moses were his kryptonite.

而且賈巴爾在對上張伯倫時吃過不少癟。這還是在張伯倫因膝傷巔峰已過之後。場面上給人感覺是，如果張伯倫還在巔峰，賈巴爾會被碾壓。另外，張伯倫和摩西-馬龍都稱得上是賈巴爾的剋星。

[–]Cavaliersjedimasterchief 27 指標 16小時前

Ya but that"s the beginning of KAJ not his end

沒錯，但這只是賈巴爾的新秀賽季啊。

[–]Timberwolvesliproqq 14 指標 17小時前

Magic and bird are a tier below?

魔術師和伯德掉到歷史第二檔？

[–]CavaliersPurpleUrkle 5 指標 13小時前

Safe to say top 5 for most. Would"ve been nice to see where either would be with better health

他倆能排進歷史前5就很不錯了。魔術師和伯德兩人隨便誰能遠離傷病，都是引人遐想的事情。

[–]Lakersvash4543 6 指標 15小時前

I think it"s hard to put Lebron above Magic Johnson and Bird.

我覺得詹姆斯很難排在伯德和魔術師之前。

[–]Raptorsliamliam1234liam 9 指標 12小時前

How? More MVPs, equal/more Finals MVPs, better statlines...

很難？勒布朗有更多的MVP，FMVP也不比他們少，數據也更好…

[–]CarlosMancigar 74 指標 22小時前

I think Kareem is pretty cool guy. Eh kills on the court and doesn"t afraid of anything

賈巴爾是個非常棒的球員，在球場上大殺四方，在生活中也毫不畏懼。

[–]HawksTy_Vance 27 指標 22小時前

Are the other two Malone and Stockton?

另外兩名千勝球員是馬龍和斯托克頓嗎？

[–]CelticsMexter-Dorgan 58 指標 22小時前

Parish? Tim Duncan?

難道不是帕里什和鄧肯？

[–]NevillesAnkle 48 指標 22小時前

Yep, those two. 1014 wins for Parish, and 1001 for Duncan, on regular season.

樓上正解。帕里什生涯1014勝，鄧肯1001勝，都是常規賽。

[–]mioraka 20 指標 19小時前

Damn, if Duncan decide to go out a year later he"d get really close to Kareem.

我去，要是鄧肯能再戰一年，勝場數就能逼近賈巴爾了。

[–][PHI] Bobby JonesHeJind 7 指標 16小時前

I was surprised Duncan was so low given the strength of those Spurs teams, then I remembered he stayed 4 years in college.

我震驚了，以馬刺的實力，鄧肯的勝場排名居然才第三？噢我想起來了，這傢伙在大學待了四年…

[–]mythica44 6 指標 17小時前

how many wins does lebron have?

那詹姆斯生涯勝場有多少？

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesswatbustist[S] 8 指標 17小時前

Lbj and mj have just over 700

詹姆斯和喬丹都剛剛700場出頭。

[–]dautjazz 8 指標 14小時前

Well obviously, MJ didnt play that much do to many factors: missed most of his sophmore year to injury, plus he retired a total of 3 times.

Then Lebron has only played 14 seasons to Kareem"s 21.

毫無疑問，喬丹並沒有打足夠多的比賽。而這是有原因的：生涯第二年因傷幾乎報銷，還玩了三次退役…

然後勒布朗只打了14個賽季，相比賈巴爾的21個賽季。

[–]Warriors Bandwagonifauve 1 指標 2小時前

Kareem"s first championship (in college, where he 3-peated) was in 1967 and his last was in 1988 -- his peak lasted 21 fucking years.

賈巴爾在1967年收穫生涯第一冠（在大學，還是三連冠），1988年取下最後一冠——他的巔峰期持續了，瑪德，21年。

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