武器庫對比，威少更剛猛，哈登萬金油，庫里慘遭調戲！

武器庫對比，威少更剛猛，哈登萬金油，庫里慘遭調戲！

[OC] 18/50: Comparing the scoring versatility of Westbrook, Harden, and Curry (i.imgur.com)

對威少、哈登和庫里各種得分手段進行的比較。

【注】圖中縱軸為進攻方式的每回合得分，橫軸各項從左至右依次分別是：混合進攻、作為持球人發動擋拆、單打、背身、手遞手、無球掩護、定點投籃、補籃、轉換進攻、空切。

Notes

All data from NBA.com.

Data is from the 2016-17 regular season.

I included all play types except P&R Roll Man because none of them have many possessions of that type.

Each of the light dots is another player that met the minimum number of possessions for that play type.

說明：

所有的數據都來自於NBA官網。

數據取自2016-2017賽季的常規賽。

我在圖中包含了除「作為掩護球員進行擋拆」之外的所有的進攻方式，因為他們三個人作為掩護球員執行擋拆的次數都不是太多。

每個淺色的圓點，都代表一位達到了使用該種進攻方式最低次數的球員。

Observations

Similar to the situation in my last post (with Kawhi, LeBron, and KD), all three of these guys are above-average iso players, but its still a relatively inefficient play for them.

Overall, it looks like Harden and Curry are equally versatile with Westbrook just behind. Again, teammates probably have an effect on this (i.e. Curry is surrounded by the best teammates, so his efficiency may be a bit inflated).

The graph doesn"t count plays where someone passes it out. For example, if Harden is posting up then passes it out to a teammate who shoots a 3, the possession counts as a spot up 3 for the teammate, not a post up for Harden. However, if Harden passes it out and turns it over, that does count against Harden in this graph.

觀察結論：

與我上一篇帖子里（對倫納德、詹姆斯和杜蘭特的分析）的情況類似，這三名球員都有著平均水平以上的單挑能力，但對他們來說，單挑仍然是一種相對低效的進攻方式。

總的來說，似乎哈登和庫里都是同樣的全能，而威少則要稍微弱一點。

再次重審一遍，隊友（的水平）可能會對這個圖中的數據產生影響（比如說，庫里身邊有著最出色的隊友，因此他的效率可能會有點虛高）。

這個圖中並沒有包括球員把球傳出去的情況。比如說，如果哈登正在低位背打，之後把球傳給了隊友，隊友投了一記三分，這種情況下算作是隊友的一次定點三分出手，而不是哈登的一次背打。然而，如果哈登在傳球的時候失誤了，這樣則是會對哈登在這張圖裡的表現造成不利影響的。

[–]Dhiblow 361 指標 17小時前

Curry confirmed as terrible putback dunker.

庫里真是一個糟糕的補扣選手。

【注】此處為調侃庫里以前一個多次補扣不進的視頻。

[–]zliplus 95 指標 16小時前

Still above 1 PPP and only a bit below average. What he"s really terrible at are post-ups!

然而他每次補籃還是能得到一分以上的，而這隻比平均水平低一點。背打才是他真正慘不忍睹的一點！

[–]Rocketsjmlinden7 79 指標 16小時前

Not enough booty

屁股還是不夠大啊。

[–]WarriorsAir_Ball 90 指標 18小時前

surprised stephs scoring off cuts isn"t much more, id imagine it was much greater last season. The Bogut feeding out of the post was a staple play.

震驚！原來庫里的空切得分並沒有那麼多，我能夠想像到上賽季他的空切會更好一些，看來博古特從低位把球喂出來給庫里已經是一種成熟的戰術了。

[–][WAS] Kelly Oubrestarrybubble 64 指標 16小時前

No. KD took all the cuts..

不不不，現在是杜蘭特包辦了所有的空切。

[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 41 指標 14小時前

This year Curry had 87 cut possessions on 1.17 points per play. Last year he had 120 possessions on 1.32 ppp.

For reference Harden has 23 possessions this year and 39 last year. And Westbrook 26, 38.

So Curry still gets significantly more possessions that way.

今年庫里一共有87次空切，每次空切能夠得到1.17分，去年他有120次空切，每次得到1.32分。

作為參考，哈登今年有23次空切，去年則有39次，而威少今年有26次，去年有38次。

所以庫里空切的次數還是明顯要更多一些的。

[–]Sunstreytakzona 107 指標 18小時前

After seeing this chart, I just want to know who"s first in handoffs (far ahead of the rest) and cuts (only one above Harden).

在看了這個圖以後，我只想知道每回合手遞手得分最高（遠遠高於其他人）和每回合空切得分最高（只有他高於哈登）的人都是誰。

[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 82 指標 18小時前

Looks like Anthony Davis for hand offs. Aaron Gordon for cuts.

好像每回合手遞手得分最高的那個是濃眉，而每回合空切得分最高的是阿龍-戈登。

[–]RocketsRecycledThrowAway324 151 指標 18小時前

Just as we all expected.

正如我們所料。

[–]Raptorspresident_axolotl 42 指標 17小時前

I"m honestly shocked that westbrook and harden rank so lowly in transition relative to everyone else. Great stuff OP!

我真的震驚了，相比於其他所有人來說，威少和哈登在轉換進攻中的排名（每回合得分）居然這麼低。樓主，幹得不錯！

[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 61 指標 16小時前

I"d guess it would be due to the fact that they are usually the ones running the transition play rather than the ones finishing it, and when they do finish it it is coast to coast through traffic.

我想這是因為實際上，他們通常都是發動轉換進攻的人，而不是終結轉換進攻的人，而當他們要自己完成進攻時，就需要從後場一條龍在對方球員中過五關斬六將。

[–]RocketsThe_Rejected_Stone 2 指標 11小時前

Makes sense based on the change in the Rocket"s offense last season. Harden was setting people up off transition a lot more than taking it himself.

基於上賽季火箭隊在進攻端的變化，樓上說的還是有道理的。哈登更多的是讓隊友舒服的完成轉換進攻，而不是自己來進行終結。

[–][HOU] Tracy McGradyDreadSilver 11 指標 17小時前

Westbrook has a lot of pull up 2s compared to Steph"s pull up 3s in transition.

在轉換進攻中，相比於庫里的干拔三分，威少的干拔兩分投得更多。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrookrickety3828 5 指標 11小時前

There"s some truth to this, nba.com doesn"t filter out transition 3s and 2s, but they do post FG% and eFG%.

So with a little algebra I got:

Russ: FG%: 50.9% eFG%: 54.1% So that"s 147 two pointers, 21 three pointers, with 330 shots in transition

Sreph: FG%: 51.7% eFG: 65.5% So that"s 75 two pointers, 85 three pointers, with 309 shots in transition

Harden: FG% 52.8% eFG%: 62.3% So that"s 72 two pointers, 40 three pointers, with 212 shots in transition

I don"t think two point jumpers make up a huge portion of Russ" shots though. I think Russ" shots are more drives to the basket with the ball in his hands and Steph is getting kick out passes and then he shoots the three.

關於這一點有些事實要注意一下，NBA官網並沒有區分開轉換三分和轉換兩分，但官網上確實貼出了投籃命中率和有效命中率。

在我稍微算了一下之後，我得到了這樣的結果：

威少：投籃命中率50.9%，有效命中率54.1%，在330次轉換出手中，投進了147個兩分和21個三分。

庫里：投籃命中率51.7%，有效命中率65.5%，在309次轉換出手中，投進了75個兩分和85個三分。

哈登：投籃命中率52.8%，有效命中率62.3%，在212次轉換出手中，投進了72個兩分和40個三分。

然而我並不覺得在威少的轉換出手中，很大一部分是兩分跳投。我認為威少在轉換中的出手，更多的是抱著球直殺籃下，而庫里則是接到分出來的球之後出手三分。

【注】有效命中率，是將三分球按照1.5個兩分球進行計算後得到的命中率，計算公式為：有效命中率=（投進的兩分球個數+0.5*投進的三分球個數）/總的出手數

[–]NBAcheapazn 18 指標 17小時前

Volume could be important to factor in here

在這個圖裡，每種進攻方式的樣本數量是很重要的影響因素。

[–]WarriorsRampanTThirteen 45 指標 18小時前

What are misc plays?

混合進攻是個啥？

[–]BeardedAsian 58 指標 17小時前

Idk but rockets should keep running them!

我不知道，但是火箭應該一直這麼打！

[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 8 指標 17小時前

everything else that can"t be classified into one of those categories.

所有不屬於上述任何一種進攻方式的其他進攻方式。

[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 27 指標 16小時前

heaves or other late shot clock non-structured plays as well

也包括超遠出手，以及其他24秒快到時的胡亂出手。

[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonard-917- 70 指標 18小時前

Russ is not terribly good at many of these

在這些進攻手段中，威少有許多不是很擅長啊。

[–]WarriorsDerangedLoofah 47 指標 16小時前

Not terribly bad either

然而也並沒有特別糟的啊。

[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonard-917- 11 指標 16小時前

Yeah kind of middle of the pack (of league)

沒錯，在這些人（聯盟）里基本屬於中游水平吧。

[–]WeRallGOATS 23 指標 14小時前

It"s the usage vs efficiency curve. There"s still a benefit to someone like Westbrook taking on a larger load and not dropping off that much in efficiency vs having another guy take on more of a load and dropping off much more. He basically vacuumed up a lot of possessions Ibaka and Durant used to use because there was no one else left to use them better. His efficiency will go back up this year as George takes off some of the load.

這是條反映使用率—效率的曲線。像威少這種承擔更多重任，而在效率上沒有太多下降的球員，相比於那些使用率上升後效率大幅下降的球員來說，對球隊還是有利的。伊巴卡和杜蘭特過去所佔有的使用率，基本上有一大部分被威少佔用了，因為隊里沒人能更高效的利用這些球權。威少今年的效率會再次上升的，因為喬治的加盟能夠為威少分擔一些壓力。

[–]Hawksatad123 8 指標 15小時前

It"s funny how his most effective play seems to be spotting up and cutting, both of which require him to not have the ball in his hands. Not taking anything away from Russ though he"s a great player.

很有趣的一點是，威少效率最高的進攻方式似乎是定點跳投和空切，而這兩種方式都需要球不在他的手裡。我並不是在說威少任何的不好，他是個偉大的球員。

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantJMD__ 160 指標 19小時前

"harden & cp3 can"t co-exist"

wow would you look at that scoring off cuts to the basket..

「哈登和保羅不能共存。」

哇，你們不能去看看空切籃下這項的得分嗎？

[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 259 指標 19小時前

And then you realize that dot represents 23 plays on the entire season. Or 1% or Harden"s scoring possessions.

I"m not saying they can"t coexsist but that cut ppp isn"t that significant

然後你就會意識到，那個點所代表的是整個賽季里只有23次的空切，在哈登所有的得分方式里或許只佔到1%。

我不是說哈登和保羅不能共存，而是這個「每回合空切得分」並沒有那麼重要。

[–]LakersMrKoontar 77 指標 18小時前

So what you"re saying is, his cut plays will sky rocket this year because he has a PG

所以你的意思是說，今年哈登的空切得分會大幅上漲，因為他身邊有了一個控衛？

[–]Warriorsatmosphere325 20 指標 16小時前

Harden has a high BBIQ, has already retooled his game several times, and doesn"t seem to have much of an ego, so I hardly see any issues playing next to CP3. I"d have much more concerns if CP3 and WB played together, especially playing off of the ball.

哈登的籃球智商很高，他已經好幾次改變他的比賽方式了，而且看起來他也並不是非常的自負，因此我幾乎不覺得他和保羅一起打球會有什麼問題。如果保羅是和威少一起打球的話，我會更關心一些，尤其是他們該怎麼打無球。

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