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四DPOY大本竟沒進名人堂,這位歷史級防守悍將應佔一席


4次最佳防守球員的大本竟沒入選名人堂,這位歷史級防守悍將應佔一席


Every day that passes without Ben Wallace being in the Hall of Fame despite being eligible is a terrible day


本-華萊士有資格入選但卻沒入選名人堂的每一天都是糟爛的一天。



4 time Defensive Player of the Year (NBA record shared with Mt Mutombo)


2x NBA Rebounding Leader


1x NBA Blocks Leader


4x All Star


5 All NBA Teams


4次最佳防守球員(和穆托姆博共享NBA紀錄)


2次NBA籃板王


1次NBA蓋帽王


4次入選全明星


5次入選NBA最佳陣容


6 All Defensive Teams (5 of those being First)


NBA Champion


Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001–04)


One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (2001–07) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson)


6次入選最佳防守陣容(其中五次一防)


NBA總冠軍


NBA史上唯一一位連續4個賽季得到1000籃板,100蓋帽和100搶斷(01至04年)


NBA史上只有三位球員連續7個賽季得到150蓋帽和100個搶斷的球員:哈基姆-奧拉朱旺、大衛-羅賓遜,和本-華萊士(2001-07年)。


One of five players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dwight Howard)


One of three players in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and 3 blocks per game over a season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob McAdoo)


Only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game


NBA史上只有五位同一個賽季在籃板和蓋帽上領銜全聯盟的球員:卡里姆-阿卜杜爾-賈巴爾、比爾-沃頓、哈基姆-奧拉朱旺、德懷特-霍華德和本-華萊士。


NBA史上只有三位在一個賽季中得到場均15籃板和3蓋帽的球員:卡里姆-阿卜杜爾-賈巴爾、鮑勃-麥卡杜和本-華萊士。


NBA史上唯一的成為全明星首發的落選秀



[–]NetsMediumRareBigMac 3775 指標 12小時前


He will be the first Undrafted to make the HOF


他會成為第一個進入名人堂的落選秀。


[–]WizardsVswerve27 1400 指標 12小時前

4 dpoys is nuts


4次最佳防守球員,老天爺啊。


[–]Pistonsjohnazoidberg- 838 指標 9小時前*


As national treasure Rasheed Wallace once said: "They gave that shit to him again? That"s felonious"


活塞球迷:就像「怒吼天尊」拉希德-華萊士說的:「聯盟又把最佳防守給他了?這特娘的是犯罪啊!」

[–]Salami_On_Rye 520 指標 9小時前


Felonious Dunk would be a cool nickname for an And 1 player who also plays jazz piano.


「扣籃犯罪現場」,嗯這個外號不錯,很適合一位能演奏鋼琴爵士樂的And 1旗下球員。[譯註1]


[譯註1]felonious dunk和Thelonious Monk諧音,後者是著名黑人爵士樂鋼琴演奏家塞隆尼斯·孟克,被認為是美國音樂史上的一位偉人。


[–]Pacerspitchingkeys 156 指標 9小時前

The 150 blocks and 100 steals for 7 straight years stat is unbelievable. Imo that"s even more impressive. Then again, he won all those DPoYs in 5 years so who knows. Jesus Christ was he good


活塞球迷:連續7個賽季得到150蓋帽和100搶斷是太不可思議了。我覺得這個是大本最牛的事迹。不過話說回來了,大本在五年內拿了那麼多的最佳防守球員,我倒也不知道該先吹哪個好了。越想越特么不可思議,大本那時候可真是一股自然神力啊。


[–][CHI] Kyle Korveridontknow_whatever 358 指標 11小時前*


He won 4 in a 5 year span (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006)


5 in a row possibly, if Ron Artest didn"t win in 2004.


他在5年里拿下了4個(02,03,05,06)。


要不是羅恩-阿泰斯特在04年得了一次,就可能是連著5年了。


[–]throwawaytothetenth 495 指標 10小時前


2004 was Ben"s best defensive season. V o t e r. F a t i g u e.


2004年,大本打出了職業生涯的最佳防守。投票者【審 美 疲 勞】了唄。


[–]Pistonsthe_oskie_woskie 223 指標 10小時前


A n t i D e t r o i t B i a s


活塞球迷:反 底 特 律 偏 見。



[–][CHI] Nate RobinsonJE_12 818 指標 9小時前


Looking at the HoF list like


當你看到名人堂列表時的表情:



[譯註2]
[譯註2]出自著名美劇《The Wire(火線》的一幕,台詞為:「MMP,華萊士哪去了?」(在劇中是被做掉了)。這也是劇最令觀眾印象深刻的場景之一。


[–][POR] Zach Collinsiamthegraham 1545 指標 12小時前


he just became eligible last year. he"s obviously getting in.


他去年剛成為候選人。他今年絕對能進去的。


[–]ThunderWes___Mantooth 82 指標 9小時前


Yeah c"mon now he"s a Hall of Famer, but not a first ballot Hall of Famer.


樓主別激動,大本現在已經是個名人堂成員了,只不過沒有第一次被提名就入選罷了。


[–]Bullshjs24gl2814 130 指標 8小時前


If you"re probably the best defensive player ever you should be first ballot. Especially if you lead a team to a title like Wallace did


如果你可能是史上最佳防守球員,那你理應第一次提名就直接入選。特別是像華萊士這種帶領球隊拿過總冠軍的球員。


[–][OKC] Steven AdamsForensicCashew 92 指標 8小時前


best defensive player ever


Dennis Rodman would like a word


「史上最佳防守球員」


丹尼斯-羅德曼有話說。


[–]Pistonssergeantturnip 53 指標 8小時前


Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace are literally the 1a and 1b goat defenders. Wallace only had an inch(?) on rodman


活塞球迷:在史上最佳防守球員行列,丹尼斯-羅德曼和本-華萊士是實打實的同屬一檔但略有一絲差距。華萊士只比羅德曼高兩三厘米吧?


[–][GSW] Kevon LooneyArmedinar 118 指標 8小時前*


Dennis Rodman would like a word


Scottie Pippen, Bill Russell, MJ, Gary Payton would like a word. Lots of great defensive players in there, not sure who"s the best, and I"m probably forgetting one or two other big names


「丹尼斯-羅德曼有話說」


斯科蒂-皮蓬、比爾-拉塞爾、邁克爾-喬丹和加里-佩頓也都想舉手發言。這群人都是偉大的防守者,不好說誰是最好的,我可能漏了一兩個大佬。


[–][MIN] Andrew WigginsMassKhalifa 73 指標 8小時前


Kevin Garnett in my (admittedly) incredibly biased opinion.


森林狼球迷:凱文-加內特。我承認,我確實護犢子了。


[–]SpursJ_Cru 47 指標 7小時前


Playoff Tim Duncan in my extremely biased opinion.


馬刺球迷:季後賽的蒂姆-鄧肯。我也承認,我比你更護犢子。


[–]PurpleDolphin456 267 指標 9小時前


A stat I noticed that really doesn』t get talked about is over his career Ben Wallace averaged more blocks than fouls per game. As a defensive center guarding the prime Shaqs, KG』s, Tim Duncan』s etc night in night out, that』s incredible


兄弟們我注意到一個你們忘掉的細節,整個職業生涯本-華萊士的場均蓋帽比犯規都多。要知道他做為一個防守型中鋒每晚都要硬剛巔峰大鯊魚、KG和石佛啊,太嚇人了。



[–]BullsIma_Grab_Yo_Snatch 476 指標 11小時前


A lot of people in this sub are probably too young to remember seeing Ben play. But my god, he was one of the strongest players I"ve seen since Malone. He was an absolute ball hawk in the paint, whether it was blocking a shot or grabbing a board. If developed as much as a mediocre jump shot he could have gone down as an all-time great.


Also, that Pistons team was just a ton of fun. Rip, Chauncey, Wallaces, and Tayshaun. Not the best players but they were gelling.


論壇的低齡化嚴重,以致於好多人都沒見過大本打球什麼樣。我發誓,他是馬龍之後我見過的最強壯的球員。他絕對是個油漆區大閘,不論是蓋帽或者搶籃板。大本當初要是開發出了中投,都不用多准,只要湊合用就行,他現在可能就是歷史名宿了。


另外,那支活塞隊真的有很棒的場上場下的化學反應。漢密爾頓、比盧普斯、大小華萊士和普林斯。他們都不是聯盟頂級球員,但卻緊密結合在了一起,擰成了一股繩。


[–]SpursYourUndoing 69 指標 9小時前


I remember him. Of all of the Finals my Spurs were in, the Pistons were probably the team that was the closest to a mirror of the Spurs. That 7-game finals series was incredible to watch even though it had low ratings because apparently people just want to watch finals that feature teams that are offensive power houses.


馬刺球迷:我忘不了他。在馬刺打過的所有總決賽里,活塞隊可能是和我們球風最像的了。那輪打滿7場的總決賽太TM刺激了,雖然因為大夥都想看特點鮮明、進攻火力十足的球隊而使收視率很低。


[–]Pistonslionsfan2016 53 指標 9小時前


I still remember watching that series and being so upset we lost. Those were the days. Good series for sure


活塞球迷1:我依舊記得自己當年觀看那輪系列賽然後對失利耿耿於懷。那些輝煌的日子啊。很棒的總決賽,毫無疑問。


[–]PistonsMkayKev 65 指標 8小時前


Brb thinking of Big Ben beasting on Shaq in the 04 finals. Probably my happiest sports memory of all time. Too many young pistons fans on Reddit have nooo idea what they missed.


活塞球迷2:猶記得04年總決賽大本蹂躪奧尼爾的場面。可能是我最快樂的體育記憶了。論壇有太多小屁孩根本對自己錯過了什麼沒個b數。


[–]Kingsfundraiser 43 指標 8小時前


The only person in the NBA who could body prime Shaq and slow him down. That alone should put him in the HoF lol


大本是NBA里唯一一個能和巔峰奧尼爾硬剛並且限制住奧尼爾的人。就憑這點也應該把他選進名人堂哈哈。


[–][BOS] Antoine WalkerKhelArk 141 指標 10小時前


Dude had magnets for hands and he never, ever, ever, evvvvvvver stopped scrapping. In terms of the eye test, he"s hands-down the best defender I"ve seen in my lifetime.


凱爾特人球迷:大本就跟手長了磁鐵一樣,而且他永遠永遠永永遠遠都不退縮。光從印象流來看,他絕對是我這輩子見過最棒的防守者。


[–]LakersKobeBeanRambis 87 指標 9小時前


I think people tend to underestimate rebounding/blocking. A lot of people think it"s just to do with size/athleticism, but it requires as much instinct and timing as making a great assist.


我覺得人們有點輕視籃板和防守的重要性了。一大票人認為這只是關於體型和身體素質,但實際上,搶籃板和蓋帽就跟傳出一個妙傳一樣,需要敏銳的嗅覺和恰當的時機。


[–]BullsIma_Grab_Yo_Snatch 110 指標 9小時前


Dennis Rodman, arguably the best rebounder of all time, was only 6』7」 and now extremely strong. He』s said to have known every teammates shot rotation so he could anticipate how it would bounce off the rim. People say he was one of the smartest basketball players ever.


丹尼斯-羅德曼可能是史上最會搶籃板的球員,他只有2米01,並且也沒有強壯到令人髮指。他說過自己了解每個隊友的投籃弧線,所以他能預判球打到籃筐的反彈方式。人們說他是史上最聰明的籃球運動員之一。


[–]Pistonsconfused-koala 78 指標 9小時前


I think it was James Worthy that said he was the best athlete that ever defended him. Dennis was a freak


我記得詹姆斯-沃西說過,羅德曼防他防得最好。大蟲就是個怪物。



[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookDylanisWavy 212 指標 12小時前


It』s unfathomable. Reggie, while also deserving, is in with five All-Star appearances, three All-NBA Third Team selections, and a 50/40/90 season. I don』t get this.


我真的無法理解大本為什麼還沒進名人堂。雷吉-米勒雖然說也配得上名人堂的稱號吧,但他只入選過五次全明星,只有三次入選NBA最佳第三陣容,只有一個賽季加入了180俱樂部。我有點看不懂了。


[–]Knickstherealjgreens 59 指標 9小時前


He was also insane in the playoffs. He basically made it every year, and had some insane playoff runs. You have to take this into consideration.


米勒也是季後賽的佼佼者啊。他基本上每年都率隊打進了季後賽,而且有過幾次非常不可思議的季後賽征程。樓上的老哥,你得考慮到這點啊!


[–]85dewwwsu7 52 指標 9小時前


Reggie wasn"t in on the first year of voting. Wallace has only been eligible once.


Sidney Moncrief, Chris Webber and Tim Hardaway were announced as finalists last year, Ben Wallace was not, but none of them made it. So going by the voting, those three will likely get in ahead of Wallace.


Also, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Ray Allen, and Grant Hill are among those newly eligible this year.


雷吉-米勒第一年沒被選進去,華萊士也只被提名過一次。


悉尼-蒙克利夫,克里斯-韋伯和蒂姆-哈達威是去年的最終候選人。雖然說本-華萊士沒混上最終候選人,但那三個老哥也都沒成功入選。所以根據投票來看,這三個可能會在大本之前進入名人堂。


還有,傑森-基德、史蒂夫-納什、雷-阿倫和格蘭特-希爾也在今年最新的候選名單上。


[–]RaptorsPuddinsnack 149 指標 8小時前


I hate myself for this since I"m going to sound like one of those jackass Jack Morris supporters in baseball, but here it is anyway.


People who say Reggie Miller isn"t a Hall of Famer flat out did not watch basketball before the LeBron era. Reggie was the Steph Curry of his day. I"d love to see prime Reggie in the new NBA.


我不想顯得太厚古簙今,我也很討厭無腦維護老球員,但是我還是得說:


那些說雷吉-米勒不是個名人堂球員的人百分之一百萬沒看過勒布朗時代之前的籃球。雷吉就是他那個時代的斯蒂芬-庫里。我十分想看巔峰雷吉在當今的NBA打球。


[–]Pacersbusche916 70 指標 8小時前


And that was before the 3-pointer was a ubiquitous part of an offense the way it has been this past decade.


Also, when Reggie retired he was 3rd all-time in terms of games played with the same team (behind Stockton and Malone with the Jazz). Reggie was an all-time basketball player who was never able to reach the summit, but definitely deserves a Hall of Fame spot


步行者球迷:三分球在過去十年成為了所有球隊進攻體系中必不可少的元素,但是雷吉-米勒那個年代可早在這十年之前了。


另外,雷吉退役之時,他為同一支球隊出場的次數排歷史第三(在爵士的斯托克頓和馬龍之後)。雷吉是一名歷史級的球員,他從來沒拿過冠軍但絕對值得名人堂的一席之地。






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