聯盟討論季後賽形式改革，美JRs建言獻策阻止各球隊擺爛

聯盟討論季後賽形式改革，美JRs建言獻策全力阻止各球隊擺爛

[Lowe] The NBA is having real discussions about a playoffs play-in tournament

[記者Zach Lowe]：NBA就季後賽對陣形式進行實質性討論，或採用附加賽的形式。

新聞鏈接：[流言板]聯盟討論季後賽形式改革：可能採用先行賽形式>>

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[–]Cavalierscampbellhw 1960 指標 1 天前

Bill Simmons" smugness levels will be off the charts if this actually happens

要真這麼乾的話，比爾-西蒙斯的尾巴不得翹上天啊[譯註1]。

[譯註1]：2007年，比爾-西蒙斯曾向聯盟提出自己關於修改季後賽模式的意見。他建議東西部的前7名球隊進入季後賽，然後東西部第8位在剩餘的16支球隊中產生。無法直接進入季後賽的16支球隊將進行淘汰賽，爭奪最後兩個季後賽首輪名額。

[–]WizardsMe_Too_Brad 204 指標 1 天前

Not like he could get worse

他現在已經翹上天了，再翹還能翹到哪兒去。

[–]NBAMaestroTobasco 998 指標 1 天前

I will gladly accept Bill Simmons" smugness if three years from now, we get to see GMs/Owners watching in agony as their scrappy team of misfits catches fire in the play-in tournament, ruining their chance at a top overall pick.

Actually now that I think of it, this may be just like the South Park baseball tournament where every team is trying to lose lol

如果3年後，我們有機會看到球隊在附加賽上「不合時宜」地元氣滿滿火力全開，球隊經理、老闆因為擺爛大計毀於一旦，沒機會拿到靠前的簽位因而捶胸頓足的場景的話，我會心懷喜悅地接受比爾-西蒙斯的嘚瑟勁兒的。

事實上，現在我覺得，附加賽可能就像《南方公園》里的棒球錦標賽一樣，每支參與的球隊都想輸掉比賽。

圖中字幕：不！我們才會輸掉呢！

[–][POR] Arvydas SabonisoGsMustachio 50 指標 1 天前

On Simmons" last podcast he brought up the idea of giving the first picks of the second round to the winners of the play-in tournament.

西蒙斯在最新一期的播客節目中提出了這樣的想法，附加賽的勝者將獲得二輪簽中的「狀元簽」，即31號簽。

[–]Omnimark 44 指標 1 天前

I really really like this idea. I"d take it even further. Instead of just getting first pick of second round, get an extra pick at the beginning of the second round. That way if you"ve traded your second round pick (incredibly common) there"d still be incentive.

我真的很喜歡這個點子。我有個更進一步的想法，讓勝者在選秀第2輪開始時額外獲得一個選秀權，而不是只是拿到31號簽。這種情況下，哪怕你已經交易了你的二輪簽（很常見的情況），依然有甜頭激勵球隊打附加賽。

[–][HOU] Hakeem Olajuwonkyotofly 459 指標 1 天前

"All this time we were trying to suck, they actually got good at sucking" - Orlando Magic as they sadly beat the Phoenix Suns

「我們一直都在嘗試擺爛，不過山外有山，他們真的很擅長擺爛啊。」在不幸擊敗菲尼克斯太陽隊後，奧蘭多魔術隊如是說。

[–]tencentninja 66 指標 1 天前

They need a player"s dad to save them.

他們需要一位球員的爸爸來拯救他們。

[–]NBAtuberippin 111 指標 1 天前

I"M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA

「對不起！我還以為這裡是講自由的美國呢！」

[–][GSW] Mickael PietrusKingKangarooFetus 15 指標 1 天前

Hey Bat-Dad...I didn"t hear no bell

嘿，蝙蝠老爸……結束鈴還沒響呢。[譯註2]

[譯註2]：以上橋段出自動畫《南方公園》第9季第5話《志在必輸》，主人公Stan所在的南方公園隊參加州棒球聯賽，孩子們都渴望早日結束享受假期，對方球隊也是如此，因而出現雙方球隊故意輸球的場景。同時，Stan的父親Randy一直為兒子的球隊助威並朝對方球隊噴垃圾話，與對方球隊球員的父親鬥毆，並在決賽中遭遇最強對手，蝙蝠老爸，在一度處於劣勢的情況下反殺對手，南方公園隊也因此被取消資格。

[–]Lakersneutronknows 111 指標 1 天前

I"d imagine they"d retain their Lottery position going into the tournament. Just increase the lottery to 16 teams and include the 2 wildcards that made the playoffs.

我想聯盟會保留那些打附加賽的球隊的樂透區席位的。把樂透區球隊增加到16支，然後通過附加賽決出其中的兩支打季後賽。

[–]RocketsTheHalfbadger 35 指標 1 天前

If I already was likely to go no higher than the eighth seed, I"d tank for a better pick and then count on the players to put us in the playoffs.

如果我已經沒可能打進前7的話，我會擺爛博得一支更好的簽位，然後指望球員將我們帶入季後賽。

[–]76erssam_cooke 45 指標 1 天前

The proposed system would seriously deter that. "Teams that finish seventh and eighth get two chances to win one game to clinch a playoff spot, including a guaranteed win-and-get-in home game for each. The ninth and 10th teams need to win two games without a loss, and the 10th seed would need to win two consecutive road games."

提議中的體系可不會讓你這麼做的。「位列第7和第8的球隊有兩次機會，只要拿下一場就能鎖定一個季後賽席位，兩支球隊只要在主場贏球就能直接進季後賽。第9和第10的隊伍則需要兩戰皆勝，而第10的球隊需要連續贏下兩場客場比賽。」

I don"t think any owner/GM would tank for a something like a 2% better chance at a top pick and risk missing out on playoff revenue.

我不認為任何一位老闆或經理會為了那僅有2%獲得狀元簽的概率去擺爛，然後冒險失去季後賽帶來的收益。

[–]BjergCop 267 指標 1 天前

Fuck it and try it with the West this year, Utah , new Orleans, clippers

甭廢話，就是干，今年在西部搞個試點，爵士，鵜鶘，快船，戰個痛快！

[–]PistonsShiftz 73 指標 1 天前

See like I"d love this, and why this works, because 7-10 are all pretty equal in the West

我喜歡這個點子，這行得通，因為西部7到10名之間實在是太接近了。

[–]Magicnolessss 1186 指標 1 天前

two four-team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth, and 10th seeds in each conference. The seventh seed would host the eighth seed, with the winner of that single game nabbing the seventh spot, sources say. Meanwhile, the ninth seed would host the 10th seed, with the winner of that game facing the loser of the 7-versus-8 matchup for the final playoff spot.

「消息源透露，東西部各自進行比賽，參賽隊伍為排名第7到第10的球隊。7號種子將主場對陣8號種子，勝者可獲得分區第7的位置。同時，9號種子將主場對陣10號種子，勝者將與7、8號種子之間的敗者比賽，決出最後一個季後賽席位的獲得者。」

Yes pls

不賴，就這麼干吧。

[–][MIN] Tyus Jonespollinium 275 指標 1 天前

It"s nice that he contextualized it by explaining how this year might be more or less interesting in March/April. One thing that he seemed pretty ambivalent about was whether this would create more night-to-night drama for the West, where 11 is far from 10.

還不錯，Zach Lowe補充了一些內容，解釋了今年3、4月份季後賽前夕多少會更有趣的原因所在。不過，在有一點上他似乎很是糾結矛盾：在西部第11與第10的差距很大的情況下，另外一種死亡賽制規則是否會產生更多的戲劇性呢？[譯註3]

[譯註3]：在提案中還有其它一種賽制，拿西部來作例，除了火箭和勇士外，從第3的馬刺到第10的爵士都將會至少打一場單敗淘汰賽才能保證進入真正的季後賽，考慮到沒有第11支球隊能夠威脅爵士的第10號排名，這樣的淘汰賽競爭會讓西部變得更加殘酷。

He mentions that this could create a race for 6 and I think that creates just as much drama right now as a race for 10 (and also creates a better playin tournament where literally any team could come out of it on top)

他提到，（7-10名打附加賽）提案可能會讓分區第6名的競爭變得慘烈，而我認為「死亡賽制」也會讓第10名的爭奪同樣精彩（同時整個附加賽也會更好看，因為任何球隊都有可能進季後賽了）。

[–][PHI] Eric SnowPhillyFreezer_ 250 指標 1 天前

What"s the point of this? The top seed would then be rested and just dominate whoever won that tournament. And we"re back where we were

這有什麼意義么？分區第1休養生息，接著拿下附加賽中的勝者。然後我們又回到了現在的季後賽模式。

[–]Cavaliersabraburger 418 指標 1 天前

I mean, we all go ape shit when Southwest Vermont Christian makes the NCAA tournament for the first time every year, but 4 days later they get blown out by Kansas.

每年一些之前從未聽說過的球隊開始打NCAA錦標賽的時候，我們都會非常興奮，但是4天之後，他們就得被像堪薩斯大學這樣的豪強給打花了。

[–]NBAFlexicanAmerican 185 指標 1 天前

The difference being nearly all those teams are small fry schools that people have never heard of, so they make for fun stories. That isn"t the case in the NBA.

不能這麼比較。差別在於所有這些學校幾乎都是些無足輕重的小學校，人們從沒有聽說過他們，所以他們能讓比賽更有樂子。可NBA不是這樣的。

[–]Lakersedonny 119 指標 1 天前

From lakers perspective sneaking in and getting swept would still be great experience

湖人球迷：從湖人的角度出發，能擠進季後賽，哪怕最後被橫掃了，仍舊會是非常棒的經歷啊。

[–]Knicksurabeach 519 指標 1 天前

Take 7 games off the regular season, make up revenue with 10-15 "playoff" games.

可以砍掉7場常規賽，用多出來的10到15場准季後賽來填補常規賽的收益。

[–][MIN] Tyus Jonespollinium 113 指標 1 天前

Well this would create 6 more playoff games (for each conference: 7/8, 9/10, then L/W) but ya it would be hard to replace the revenue of even shaving one game off everybody"s schedule

這樣會多出來6場季後賽（每個分區第7名和第8名一場，第9名和第10名一場，然後7、8的敗者和9、10的勝者一場）。可是，別說這幾場季後賽能不能頂上被砍掉的常規賽的收益，就是砍掉哪怕每支球隊一場常規賽都會很困難。

[–]Bucksjgwz 46 指標 1 天前

I think the idea is that these 6 playoff games generate more income than the lost games (from a new national TV deal for the play-in tournament).

我覺得他的意思是說這6場季後賽創造的收入比去掉的那幾場比賽的要多（收入來自為附加賽而簽訂的新的轉播合同）。

[–]NBAwhy_rob_y 46 指標 1 天前

Take 7 games off the regular season

That"s actually 15x7 games (30 teams, two teams in each game), which is 105 games.

「砍掉7場常規賽。」

實際上砍掉的是15乘7場比賽（30支球隊，一場比賽兩支球隊），也就是105場比賽。

10-15 "playoff" games.

The proposed tournament would only be six total games (West 7 vs West 8, West 9 vs West 10, West Loser of 7/8 vs West Winner of 9/10, then the same ones for the East).

I don"t think six "playoff" games can even come close to making up the revenue of 105 regular season games. Even if you add more play-in games or take away fewer regular season games, there"s a big gap there. I doubt they shorten the regular season any time soon.

「10到15場准季後賽。」

提案中構想的比賽只有6場（西部第7打西部第8，西部第9打西部第10，西部7、8名的敗者打西部9、10名的勝者，東部同理）。我不認為這6場「季後賽」有任何可能來填補105場常規賽收益的窟窿。哪怕多加幾場附加賽或者少去掉幾場常規賽，他們在收入上的差距依然很大。我才不信他們會在近期縮短常規賽呢。

[–]Brooklyn NetsSavage9645 428 指標 1 天前

Meh, 53% of the teams in the league already make the playoffs and now you want to host a play in tournament just so those teams can get smacked by the 1 and 2 seeds. The playoffs are already long enough, give it a rest there are better ways to prevent tanking.

額，聯盟里53%的球隊處在季後賽隊伍中，現在你想舉辦一場附加賽，圖啥？這樣這些球隊就能被聯盟前兩名球隊蹂躪？季後賽已經夠漫長的了，歇歇吧，肯定有更好的方法杜絕球隊擺爛的。

[–]HeatGavster1221 229 指標 1 天前

So the 24-33 Hornets would have a shot to get in based off 2 games.

I don"t like it. I like 1-16 seeding. But a play in tournament to stop tanking just doesn"t make sense.

Edit: Why not just do a single elimination tournament for top lotto odds? This will stop some tanking.

熱火球迷：所以說，哪怕是現在24勝33負的黃蜂都有機會用2場比賽搭上季後賽的班車？

我不喜歡這個點子。我喜歡全聯盟前16名的大混戰。想用附加賽來阻止球隊擺爛？這太說不通了。

編輯：為什麼不搞一個爭奪狀元簽抽取概率的單敗淘汰賽呢？這樣會阻止球隊擺爛吧。

[–]Cavalierscampbellhw 118 指標 1 天前

Because imagine if the Blazers or Nuggets tanked to the 9th seed to be able to play for the #1 pick

這不行，因為你想想看，要是開拓者或者掘金控場擺爛到第9名，可就能打淘汰賽爭狀元簽啦。

[–][ORL] Shaquille O"NealCauseISaidSo_ 90 指標 1 天前

What if they had a playoff tournament to make it into the playoffs that wasn』t single elimination and lasted 82 games or so? Think about it! Then we know who deserves it over those 82 games and we could allow the best 16 teams to make it in! We could even split it up into maybe 2 mini brackets where we had all the teams from the east on one side and maybe all the teams from the west on the other!

Just a thought though, might not work

要是我們搞一場季後賽錦標賽來決定進入季後賽的球隊，持續82場左右，而不是以單敗淘汰賽的形式，你們覺得如何？考慮考慮吧！82場過後，我們就能知道誰配得上季後賽席位了，可以讓最好的16支隊伍進入季後賽！我們甚至可以把這16支隊伍分成，嗯，大概兩撥吧，所有來自東部的球隊在一撥，所有西部的一撥！

只是個不成熟的想法啊，能不能實現另說啊。TX

[–]SpursSurprizeBigSize 21 指標 1 天前

I agree with Lebron. Let"s not get too crazy here. The playoffs don"t need to be tampered with for now.

我同意詹姆斯的觀點。咱們別玩得太瘋了。季後賽現在不需要做出什麼改變。

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