西蒙斯米切爾誰是最佳新秀？美JRs：比無意義，職責不同

西蒙斯和米切爾誰會成為最佳新秀？美JRs：比較二人無意義，職責不同

本-西蒙斯關於他和多諾萬-米切爾之間的比較："我們是兩種不同的球員，你懂的，他是個得分手；而我呢，大家都知道，是得分手+籃板手+傳球手"

Ben Simmons on comparisons between him and Donovan Mitchell: 「We』re two different players you know, he』s a scorer and I』m a, you know, scorer, rebound, pass guy.」

[–][UTA] Kyle Korverwartortle87 211 指標 7小時前 

Is this an old video or is he just repeating the exact statement he made in January that was posted here?

爵士球迷：這是箇舊視頻還是說他又把他一月份講過的話重複了一遍？

[–]76ersiFartBubbles 262 指標 7小時前 

Old video to drum up arguments

76人球迷：應該是放出來炒作用的舊視頻。

[–]Warriorstalanted_o 573 指標 8小時前 

just going to drop this here for fun. 

歪樓放個圖，供大夥一笑哈。為大家獻上長發飄飄的西蒙斯。

[–]76ersHelreaver 64 指標 8小時前 

What the fuck

卧槽這什麼鬼。

[–]76ersxjcs97sy 247 指標 8小時前 

I still wanna fuck him

我還是想睡他。

[–]CavaliersIMPERIALteig 156 指標 7小時前 

Pause

停停停！我要下車！

[–]CelticsDanzeyy 96 指標 6小時前 

Rewind

開！往城市邊緣開！今天誰也別想去幼兒園！

[–][HOU] Chris PaulYaboiVane 104 指標 6小時前 

Play

大聲說出你的愛！

[–][HOU] Chris PaulYaboiVane 171 指標 6小時前 

I still wanna fuck him

還是樓上：沒錯！我還是想睡他！怎麼辦！！

[–]JazzRyelen 181 指標 8小時前 

I love both these rooks and that was hilarious, he probably should of put defense in there as well.

爵士球迷：說來有趣，這倆新秀我都挺喜歡的，西蒙斯應該把防守表現也列上。

[–]76ersMotorQuantity 117 指標 8小時前 

When they"re both in their primes, you should loan us Mitchell for a year to win a championship and we"ll loan Simmons to you for the next year to get a championship there.

76人球迷：假設他們倆都在生涯巔峰狀態的話，你們應該把米切爾短租給我們一年去爭冠，下一年我們再把西蒙斯短租給你們去爭冠，皆大歡喜，雙贏。

[–]JazzTamponSmoothie 83 指標 6小時前 

I wouldn"t be mad if Simmons won ROTY, of course Simmons good. If Simmons becomes the next Magic Johnson and Mitchell becomes the next Kobe then I"ll be down with that.

ROTY or not as a small-market Jazz fan i"m just happy we have a player that"s even in the talks for contending for ROTY, last thing I thought before the season begun.

爵士球迷：要是西蒙斯拿到最佳新秀的話我也不會生氣的，他很棒。如果西蒙斯成為了下一個魔術師，而米切爾變成了下一個科比，那我就更加能接受這事兒了。不管最後結果如何，能看到隊里有這麼一個傢伙被列入最佳新秀競爭者的名單，我已經很開心了，作為猶他這樣一個小球市的球迷，這賽季之前我壓根沒想過這劇情。

[–]Spursmdivan 41 指標 5小時前 

This. I mean everyone knew simmons was something special but no one expected this much from donovan, you guys won fucking jackpot and who gives a fuck about ROTY, kobe didn"t won ROTY, a lot of great players didn"t.. in the end of the day I think that we have very special talent in simmons and mitchel and everyone should be happy. I know I"m happy for yazz cause you have great organization and deserved such luck.

說到點子上了，拜託，所有人都能看出來西蒙斯天賦爆表，但誰能想到米切爾這麼出色呢？你們已經走了大運啦，就不要再糾結誰能贏得最佳新秀了吧？科比就沒拿過最佳新秀，好多偉大球員都沒拿過。說到底，西蒙斯和米切爾都是異常出色的球員，我們應該為此慶幸才對。我特別為爵士隊高興，他們的球隊建設和球隊文化超贊，活該有這麼好的運氣拿到米切爾這麼好的球員。

[–]PelicansBobyus 46 指標 6小時前* 

Fans in /r/nba and in general seem to be biased against Shooting Guards because they base everything on stat sheets. Often using arguments such as "but X is a better passer and rebounder」.

這個論壇里的球迷是不是對"得分後衛"這個角色有什麼偏見啊？所有的東西都拿數據說話。老是愛用一些論據來爭辯："A是很好，但是B是一個更好的傳球手和籃板手啊"。

Name one Shooting Guard in history with huge passing and rebounding numbers. It"s not what the role is about. SG"s aren"t there to create play and rebound the ball, they are there to shoot and score. It"s what they do.

Just because they don"t have big numbers besides points doesn"t make them bad at it

拜託，睜開眼睛看看史上有哪個得分後衛得分的同時還能籃板傳球一手抓的？得分後衛就不是干這個活兒的好嗎？他們又不用負責組織進攻和搶籃板，他們只要投籃，得分，再得分，就行了。除了得分以外別的統計數據不好，並不能說明這個得分後衛就差勁。

[–]JazzomgilovePopScience 52 指標 7小時前 

The jazz also don"t have an offense that sets up guards to have many assists, hence Rubio playing amazing yet average far less assists than in Minnesota

爵士球迷：我爵的進攻戰術並不依賴後衛發動，因此他們也不會拿到太多助攻，這就是盧比奧在我爵雖然打得很好，但是助攻數字遠不如在森林狼時好看的原因。

[–]76ersBirdRights 32 指標 5小時前 

Mitchell is a better playmaker than his numbers suggest, but i also think it"s fair to say Simmons is on a whole other level in that aspect of the game without it being a knock on Mitchell.

the only rookie PG i can remember running a team this well and put up these numbers is CP3. before him it was probably Kidd. and before that, Magic.

just sucks that people are so eager to point out the flaws in both players" game. at this point i would be happy if they split the award if it meant everyone would stop

76人球迷：米切爾的組織進攻能力要比他的統計數據顯示得要好，但西蒙斯在這方面的表現無疑是更高水準級別的，這不是在批評米切爾哈，但是以我僅有的看球經歷來說，能像西蒙斯這樣把球隊進攻梳理得如此井井有條而且統計數據又好看的新秀控球後衛，只有保羅了，再上一個可能是基德吧，再往前數的話還有魔術師。

大家現在都迫不及待地去挑這兩個球員的缺點，這挺討人厭的。如果他倆共享最佳新秀能堵住所有人爭吵的嘴巴，我寧願這樣。

[–]KnicksRUBEN4iK 240 指標 8小時前 

「Scorer"

西蒙斯說自己也是得分手？

[–][PHI] Markelle FultzJoelEmbeast 145 指標 7小時前 

Compared to most rookies he"s a pretty good scorer. He"s the 2nd best scorer in this rookie class undoubtedly.

76人球迷：和大多數新秀比起來他確實是很強的得分手啊，他們bkx新秀里綜合得分能力排第二沒疑問吧。

[–][HOU] Sleepy FloydJimHarden 38 指標 8小時前 

How is what he said wrong? He can score pass and rebound. I don"t see this as shade towards Mitchell. I"m sure Simmons would acknowledge that Mitchell is a better scorer

火箭球迷：這話沒毛病吧？西蒙斯確實又能傳球又能搶籃板啊，我不覺得他是在貶低米切爾，我相信西蒙斯也會承認米切爾是個更好的得分手。

[–]fvertk 198 指標 8小時前 

The idea that Mitchell is just a "scorer" is kind of a petty insult to Mitchell"s game. He"s not just a scorer. Look at Mitchell"s recent numbers, he"s averaging around 5RPG and 5APG lately. This guy can rebound like this pretty much anytime he wants. He"s making passes like this(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROv0fZlfb3U). And hell, he was KNOWN as a strong defender coming out of the draft.

把米切爾稱作"純得分手"是對他能力的極大的不尊重，根本不準確。看一下米切爾最近的統計數據就一目了然，他最近場均都快達到5籃板5助攻了。這傢伙想搶籃板就能搶到，想助攻也沒問題（見下面視頻），更別提他自從選秀開始就是以防守強悍著稱的。

This narrative is happening based off averages. Mitchell has Gobert/Favors getting rebounds and Rubio being the playmaker. Also, factor into it that even RUBIO"s assist numbers have dipped due to the Jazz college team "everyone touches the ball" offense.

這個比較基本上是圍繞統計數據進行的，米切爾身邊有戈貝爾和費沃斯負責搶籃板，還有盧比奧負責組織進攻，這樣一算，他的助攻和籃板數據肯定吃虧啊。你還得考慮到爵士那堪比大學籃球戰術的進攻體系，『在一次進攻中，人人都應該觸球』，畢竟盧比奧到爵士打球以後助攻數據也跳水了啊。

If Mitchell isn"t a "rebounder" or "passer" just because he averages less than Simmons, I don"t think Simmons can call himself a "scorer" by his own logic.

如果僅僅因為助攻和籃板數據不好看就認為米切爾傳球和搶籃板能力不好的話，那按照西蒙斯自己的邏輯，他也不能算得分手啊。

[–]WestbrookRapedMe 201 指標 8小時前* 

Simmons is clearly better at everything except shooting

顯然西蒙斯各方面都強於米切爾啊，除了投籃。

[–]LakersDeadToWrites 134 指標 8小時前 

Shooting and scoring in general.

投射和得分吧，總體來說。

[–][TOR] OG AnunobyDascewlm8 55 指標 5小時前 

The two least important things in today"s nba

猛龍球迷：嗯，投射和得分，當今NBA最不重要的兩項技能！TX。

[–]76ersHelreaver 94 指標 8小時前 

He"s a candidate for All NBA Defense second team. He"s very good.

76人球迷：西蒙斯完全有資格競爭一下最佳防守二陣吧，他的防守真的不錯。

[–]Jazzjar_jar_blink 65 指標 8小時前 

This is dumb. They"re both great players. They have different responsibilities on their respective teams. But Mitchell is certainly not a slouch when it comes to rebounding or passing. Anybody who says that is not watching him.

爵士球迷：這種評價很蠢，他們都是很棒的球員，在各自球隊肩負不同的責任，但是米切爾絕對也不是不會傳球和搶板，這麼說他的人沒看過他的比賽。

[–]Raptors6GodInTraining 1042 指標 8小時前 

LeBron James on comparisons between him and Michael Jordan: 「We』re two different players you know, he』s a scorer and I』m a, you know, scorer, rebound, pass guy.」

"詹姆斯關於他和喬丹之間比較的評價："我們是兩種不同的球員，你懂的，他是個得分手；而我嘛，大家都知道的，得分手+籃板手+傳球手"。

[–]76ersTheSameAsDying 223 指標 7小時前 

That"s totally valid though. Jordan was a scorer with a great all-around game, LeBron is an all-around player who"s great at finding his spots.

76人球迷：沒毛病啊老鐵，喬丹是個超強得分手，其他能力也不弱，而詹姆斯則是個全能型球員，最擅長的就是找到合適的出手機會。

[–]Cavaliersswagzer 28 指標 5小時前 

MJ was actually a decent rebounder and passer though.

騎士球迷：講道理，喬丹也是個不錯的籃板手和傳球者好哇？

[–]CelticsBipolarConfidence 63 指標 5小時前 

MJ was also a fucking great point guard, but didn"t play that position because he didn"t like it.

凱爾特人球迷1：喬丹打控衛也很禽獸的，他不打只是因為他不喜歡打這個位置。

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumMrMojo18 39 指標 4小時前 

decent?

He averaged 32 8 8 for a season.

凱爾特人球迷2：僅僅是不錯嗎？這傢伙可是有個賽季場均32+8+8啊。

[–]RaptorsToronto416ix 332 指標 7小時前 

Are we really going to do this right now? Ever heard of all defensive team?

又開始喬詹對比的日經帖了？見過他的防守一陣次數統計嗎？嚇死你。

[–]HeatMorrocanMandingo 55 指標 6小時前 

I』ll never understand how fuckin Kobe got 9 all defensive first teams. He was a great defender for a while but god damn was like half of that based on reputation.

科比居然九次入選防守一陣，這我就看不懂了，沒錯總體來說他是個偉大的防守者，但是九次防守一陣的水平？這裡面半數的入選都是憑他的名聲吧。

[–]LakersSeltzz 288 指標 6小時前 

Have you ever seen Kobe play lockdown on someone? Shit could make panties drop.

呵呵，你見過科比一對一鎖死對位球員的氣勢嗎？那場面能把對面嚇尿。

[–]KnicksFoundmybeach 144 指標 5小時前 

Dude locked down LeBron in the All Star game like dead in the middle of LeBrons prime, at the end of his own career

沒錯，你看過科比在全明星上防死詹姆斯的那次比賽嗎？那時科比接近職業生涯尾聲，而詹姆斯還在巔峰。

[–]San Diego Clippersthisistheusername105 122 指標 4小時前 

I watched this, and it was amazing, but I do take some issue with using any ASG performances to make judgment calls about any part of a player"s legacy. Just my .02

這場比賽我看過，科比的表現確實驚人。不過我是不贊成用全明星賽的表現來評價一個球員的能力或歷史地位，個人意見哈。

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