猛龍主帥回應季後賽啞火言論，美JRs：別忘了「東部馬刺」的老鷹

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[B/R] 外界質疑猛龍在季後賽中會啞火，德韋恩-凱西回應：「我們所面對的可能是NBA有史以來最出色的球員。如果那也算是啞火的話，那請每個賽季都讓我有機會燒光最後一滴油吧。」

[Bleacher Report] Dwane Casey on critics saying Raptors "flame out" in the playoffs: "You"re playing against arguably the best player that"s ever played in the NBA... if that"s flaming out, give me the opportunity to walk through that door every year."

The Raptors went 51-31 last season and were swept by the Cavaliers in the second round

They went 56-26 in 2015-16 and lost in six games to the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference Finals

猛龍上賽季51勝31負，季後賽第二輪被騎士橫掃；

2015-16賽季，他們56勝26負，第6場負於騎士止步東部決賽。

[–]ckareddit 572 指標 9小時前

While true, the problem is Lowry and Derozan have had baffling games in the playoffs even against other teams.

話雖然沒錯，但問題是在季後賽，哪怕面對的是其他球隊，洛瑞和德羅贊表現得也都很掙扎啊。

[–]Wizardsireddit270 319 指標 9小時前

Derozan went 0-8 FG for 8 points in a playoff game last season. Toronto has been swept out of the postseason twice in the last four years.

Like I understand why Raps fans desperately want people to forget about this stuff, but it"s not going away until Lowry & Derozan prove themselves on the court beyond all doubt.

上賽季一場季後賽里，德羅贊8投0中。在過去4年的季後賽里，猛龍被橫掃了2次。

我明白為什麼猛龍球迷迫切地想讓大家忘記這些歷史，可除非洛瑞和德羅贊在球場上百分百地證明自己，不然對這些黑料的討論會沒完沒了。

[–]Raptorsredekulous 148 指標 8小時前

Totally agree, the team has performed fine in terms of making the ECF and ECSF the last two years but Derozan and Lowry have had some games where you look and say "is this guy really an all-star?".

猛龍球迷：我完全同意樓上的觀點。球隊表現得不錯，過去兩個賽季打進了東部決賽和半決賽，但是德羅贊和洛瑞在一些比賽里的表現會讓你會有「他真的是全明星嗎」這種疑問。

We have to kill teams in a 4-5 game series for that stigma to really disappear regardless if they perform better these playoffs.

真想抹去這份恥辱的話，先不說他倆在季後賽里是不是需要表現得更加出色，我龍必須得在4到5場內速度晉級才行。

[–][BOS] Marcus Smartriders994 50 指標 8小時前

It"s not even that. They need to win games with Lowry and DeRozan performing well.

凱爾特人球迷：不止如此。洛瑞和德羅贊得發揮神勇拿下比賽。

[–]Raptorsredekulous 39 指標 8小時前

Of course they need to play well, but lets say if we play the bucks and it goes to 7 games for some reason. Even if Derozan and Lowry are balling I almost guarantee people will talk them not being able to lead the team.

We need to crush the first round for those two to gain respect IMO.

猛龍球迷：當然，雙槍需要發揮出色。不過我覺得如果我們對陣雄鹿，然後因為什麼原因需要進入搶七，即便德羅贊和洛瑞發揮神勇，估計人們還是會說他們帶隊能力不行。

在我看來，為了給他們二人贏得尊重，我們需要秋風掃落葉般擊敗第一輪的對手。

[–][BOS] Marcus Smartriders994 10 指標 7小時前

What I mean is that they have to win the games, not The Raptors, in order to overcome this label.

凱爾特人球迷：我的意思是說，為了撕下季後賽疲軟的標籤，他們得拿下比賽，指雙槍，而不是猛龍。

[–]RaptorsDarkpoisonzxz 36 指標 7小時前

People only remember the bad games, its actually crazy. Lowry played great for 4 or 5 games straight the season he was healthy, and the raptors took 2 games off the Cavaliers team that went on to beat the GSW in the playoffs but nobody wants to talk about that?

猛龍球迷：大夥只記得那些他們表現糟糕的比賽，真是夠了。在他完全健康的賽那個季里，洛瑞連續4場還是5場打得都非常出色，而猛龍從騎士身上拿走了兩場勝利，要知道，這支騎士後來在季後賽里擊敗了金州勇士啊，就沒人想聊聊這一點么？

Cavs are a much worse team than that season, and we are a MUCH different team this year. You cannot tell me im delusional for thinking we have a strong chance of beating the cavs this year considering all the circumstances...

騎士今年跟那個賽季相比狀態差了很多，而我們今年則大為不同。考慮到這些情況，我覺得今年我們很有機會打敗騎士，你不能因為這個就說我在痴心妄想啊。

[–]Clippersdarksamosa420 46 指標 6小時前

I remember Lebron said when the series was tied "I"ve faced adversity before. This isn"t it." with a totally straight face. Then blew out the Raptors 2 games in row to send them home

我記得系列賽打平時，詹姆斯一臉平靜不動聲色，「我經歷過逆境。這次還算不上」。然後就連續大勝猛龍2場送他們回家了。

[–]RaptorsCaptainKumar 52 指標 8小時前

Completly agree. I don"t get how some of this fanbase actually tries to argue Lowry and Derozan don"t historically fall off in the playoffs.

猛龍球迷：沒錯，洛瑞和德羅贊得在場上證明他們。我不明白怎麼還真有一些球迷想證明洛瑞和德羅贊沒有季後賽表現跳水的黑歷史。

We need to fucking clobber our first round opponent this year and put up a real fight against anybody in round 2 and 3 to clear that reputation

今年，我們得在首輪痛扁對手，在第2輪和第3輪里跟對手真刀真槍地比劃比劃，為自己正名。

[–]sad_mogul97 167 指標 8小時前

Even the Big 3 Celtics needed 7 games to beat the 38-44 Hawks, the Pacers needed 7 games aswell to beat the Hawks back in 2013. Why are we the only one held to that standard, we"re projected to win less than 50 games every single year yet we"re being held to the standard of a 60-win team. If Raptors fans think we"re beating the Heat/Bucks in less than 6 games, they"re delusional.

猛龍球迷：哪怕是三巨頭時代的凱爾特人也是在第7場才搞定38勝44負的老鷹啊，2013年，步行者也是用了7場才擊敗了老鷹。為什麼只有我們被雙重標準要求，外界每年都預測我們拿不到50勝，卻又用60勝球隊的標準來要求我們。如果猛龍球迷覺得我們能在6場內解決熱火或者雄鹿的話，那想的有點兒多了啊。

[–]Clippersdarksamosa420 83 指標 6小時前

The big 3 Celtics never got swept by the Wizards in the first round with homecourt advantage

三巨頭凱爾特人可從沒在首輪擁有主場優勢的情況下被奇才橫掃出局過啊。

[–]Raptorsji64 35 指標 5小時前

That year we were honestly shit. Look at how we closed the year. We started off hot by overplaying Lowry and our team died in the 2nd half. We gave big minutes to defensive matadors such as Lou Williams and Greivis Vasquez, and even Tyler Hansbrough got a place in our rotation. I know, I know, we won 49 games and were the 4th seed, but you can"t compare a below average 49 win team that was still a "young" team in its second year of the playoffs with the big 3 Celtics.

猛龍球迷：我們那年打得真的跟一坨翔一樣。你看看我龍那個常規賽怎麼收尾的就知道了。球隊狠艹洛瑞打出火熱開局，然後在下半個賽季就躺屍了。球隊給了像路易斯-威廉姆斯和瓦斯奎斯這樣的防守漏勺大量出場時間，甚至連漢斯布魯都進入了輪換陣容中。我知道，我知道，我們常規賽49勝，東部第4，但是你不能把一支重返季後賽才第2年，實力低於49勝球隊平均水準的年輕球隊，跟那支三巨頭凱爾特人拉出來比較啊。

However much it hurts to say, the only years we"ve been a really good team is in 2016 where we made the ECF and this year. Last year something was just off, Lowry"s injuries combined with our iso ball didn"t really seem convincing.

不管2016年的結果有多讓人心痛，但我們只有在那一年才算的上是一支真正優秀的球隊，當時我們打進了東部決賽，還有今年，我們也非常出色。上賽季我們有失水準，洛瑞受傷加上沉迷單打真的不足以解釋我們的失敗。

[–]dropdatdurkadurk 31 指標 8小時前

See this also relates to the thing Toronto fans will do as naueum

All year they"ll go full victim complex mode an talk about how nobody takes them seriously or picks them

Then if they get spanked by LeBron in the playoffs they"ll be like "oh it"s LeBron......what can we do it"s not our fault he"s just that good?!?!"

外界對猛龍的看法也和猛龍球迷的一些舉動有關，他們的一些做法都沒道理可講。

他們一整年都會以一副受害人的姿態討論說，沒有人認真地對待他們，在各種榜單中如何如何忽視他們。

然後，如果他們在季後賽中被詹姆斯按在地上摩擦，他們又會說，「唉，那是詹姆斯啊……我們能做什麼呢，又不是我們的問題，是他太強了！！！」

Nah you can"t have it both ways.....if raptors fans want to whine about not being taken seriously then you have to deal with the expectations that come with being taken seriously. If you think getting spanked by a flawed LeBron team is an acceptable outcome......then sorry your team isn"t worth taking seriously. And if you think your team is worth taking seriously then it deserves heat if LeBron clowns on them again.

不，你不能兩種言論的便宜都占啊……如果猛龍球迷想抱怨球隊沒有被認真對待的話，那你們就得接受外界對你們的期望。如果你們覺得被詹姆斯所處的這支有缺陷的球隊吊打可以接受的話……那對不起，你們主隊就不值得被認真對待。如果你認為你們主隊值得被認真對待的話，而且假若詹姆斯再次讓你龍出醜的話，那你龍活該被嘲諷啊。

It is hilarious how these rationalization raptors fans do on the internet work. "How dare you not treat us with respect!!!!?" "But if we get embarrassed by lebrons 51 win team you can"t blame us it"s LeBron!!" Just talking out of both sides of their mouth

有些猛龍球迷真是立於不敗之地：他們一方面會說，「你怎麼敢不給予我們尊重？！！」可是在另一方面，又會表示，「但如果我們尷尬地輸給了51勝的詹姆斯的話，你們不能責備我們，對面那可是詹姆斯啊！！！」

[–][SEA] Kevin Durantguga31bb 21 指標 7小時前

They also got swept by the Wizards despite being the higher seed!

他們還被奇才下克上橫掃了呢。

[–]Raptorscaptainyakman[??] 94 指標 5小時前

The "no one respects us" mentality of Raptors fans is mostly justified (people underrating DeRozan, minimal exposure in the US despite sustained success).

But honestly, the skepticism around this team"s playoff prospects is TOTALLY justified. We have three playoff series since the VC era, all of which were completely unconvincing:

猛龍球迷：猛龍球迷這種「沒人尊重我們」的心理大部分都是有據可循的（大眾對德羅贊的低估，儘管不斷在贏球但在美國境內過低的曝光度）。

但是老實說，人們對這支球隊季後賽前景的懷疑也是完全合理的。自卡特時代以來，我們贏了三個系列賽，而這三個系列賽我龍展現出的實力完全不能令人信服：

7 game series vs Indiana, with game 7 being decided in the last minute

Disgusting 7 game series against Miami.

Heartattack inducing series against the Bucks, massive lead blown in Game 6, hang on for win.

2016年首輪與步行者的7場大戰，搶七局在最後時刻才決出勝負；

2016年次輪與熱火的7場比賽打得太噁心了；

2017年首輪與雄鹿的系列賽簡直快讓人心臟病發作了，第6場浪費了巨大的領先優勢，將將獲勝。

Alongside those wins, we have either been upset by lower seeded teams (Nets), or handled by contenders (Cavs).

We"re much better this year, but I need to witness a series where we actually win Game 1 before I can feel reasonably comfortable.

除了這些最終拿下了的系列賽以外，我們要麼在下分區的種子隊伍身上翻船（籃網），要麼就是被總冠軍競爭者玩弄於股掌之中（騎士）。

我們今年出色多了，但我需要親眼看到球隊真的贏下系列賽的第1場，要不然心裡不踏實。

[–]Raptors-HeisenBird- 15 指標 4小時前

Don"t forget getting swept by the lower-seeded Wizards. I consider 2016 to be out only good year and only because we took 2 games off of Lebron in the ECF.

猛龍球迷：別忘了球隊還被奇才下克上橫掃過。我之所以覺得2016年是唯一還不錯的一年僅僅是因為我們在東部決賽在詹姆斯身上拿下了2場勝利。

[–]Pistonszepg 811 指標 8小時前

it"s true, but let"s not forget that they had major injuries in the past 2 years. 2015-16 valanciunas was out against the cavs and 2016-17 lowry was out against the cavs

凱西這話沒錯，但別忘了猛龍過去兩年還遭受了不少傷病。2015-16賽季打騎士時瓦蘭丘納斯傷退，2016-17賽季打騎士時輪到了洛瑞。

[–]RaptorsKlaytheist 65 指標 8小時前

We also played a Heat team without Whiteside. Injuries happen to every team.

猛龍球迷：我們打熱火時，對面還沒有懷特塞德呢。每個隊都會遭遇傷病的。

[–]RaptorsKingG_corporation 23 指標 5小時前

JV was out the same amount of games that series tho and he was outplaying whiteside before both got injured

猛龍球迷：不過瓦蘭丘納斯在和你們的系列賽里也因傷缺席，而且在他和白邊都受傷前，瓦蘭的表現要勝過白邊呢。

[–]RaptorsAprilsMostAmazing 20 指標 5小時前

JV when he played that playoff year, outplayed every big man other than Frye

猛龍球迷：那年季後賽，只要瓦蘭出場，他的表現比每一個對方大個都要好，除了跟弗萊比之外吧。

[–]Raptorsdmix 7 指標 4小時前

Yeah, that was a really strange part of that series. Frye was strangely good against us.

Certainly didn"t help at all as I remembered many of his shots were total momentum-killers.

猛龍球迷：沒錯，這確實是那輪系列賽里很奇怪的部分。弗萊打我們時表現得太好了。我們真的拿他完全沒辦法，我記得他的很多投籃把我們的勢頭打壓了下去。

[–]Warriorsfooferall 63 指標 7小時前

I agree that this year"s Raps look different but it"s also understandable that people are wary until they see the playoffs.

我也覺得今年的猛龍變化很大，但是在季後賽來臨之前大伙兒態度謹慎也是可以理解的。

[–]Timberwolvesp*河蟹*00 143 指標 6小時前

Honestly the only Eastern Conference team that I"d say has "flamed out" recently, was the 60-win Hawks.

The team was "Spurs East." They defended, moved the ball beautifully, hustled...you name it.

Only to be completely dismantled in the ECF.

老實說，近來唯一一支讓我覺得「表現啞火」的東決球隊，是那支60勝的老鷹。

當時老鷹被贊為「東部馬刺」，談到他們時，人們都說他們的防守和球的運轉非常漂亮、敢打敢拼。你們可以繼續補充。

然而卻東部決賽上被打得徹底解散了。

[–]Casper7to4 22 指標 5小時前

They were all injured in that series.

那輪系列賽里老鷹的球員都傷了。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesthisiseku 117 指標 5小時前

Kyrie played 49 total minutes in 2 games in that series and Love was out. Cavs" injuries were much more severe.

騎士球迷：當時歐文系列賽總共打了兩場比賽出場49分鐘，樂福因傷缺席。騎士遭遇的傷病更嚴重。

[–]Timberwolvesp*河蟹*00 22 指標 5小時前

I remember Carroll being dinged up, but Milsap and Teague played...didn"t they? I distinctly remember Milsap getting straight dunked-on by LeCramp a couple times in that series.

Wasn"t that also the series when Kent Bazemore played really well?

我記得卡羅爾是傷了，但是米爾薩普和蒂格還是打了的吧？我清楚記得那輪系列賽米爾薩普被勒抽筋扣了好幾個啊。

是不是也是在那個系列賽里，貝茲莫爾有著不錯的發揮？

[–]Knickssmileyfrown 15 指標 5小時前

Didn"t the NYPD injure one of them as well, and got sued later

紐約市警察局不是還把老鷹的一名球員給傷了，之後還被起訴了么。

[譯註1]

：2015年季後賽期間，老鷹球員塞福洛沙受傷報銷，疑似和紐約警方有關。

[–][CLE] Iman ShumpertUnbiasedExpert 78 指標 9小時前

they struggled in early rounds before meeting the Cavs too

騎士球迷：猛龍在遭遇騎士前的前幾輪里也表現得很掙扎啊。

[–]Raptorsreeechee 71 指標 9小時前

We still win though so whatever.

猛龍球迷：不過我們前幾輪還是贏了啊，所以，無所謂啦。

[–][CLE] Iman ShumpertUnbiasedExpert 32 指標 9小時前

sure, but you"d be fresher and less banged up off shorter series

騎士球迷：是這樣沒錯，但是要是能早早搞定的話，你們消耗的精力和傷病都會更少些。

[–]Raptorsdroreddit 60 指標 8小時前

well we can"t all have once in a generation superstars now can we.

猛龍球迷：我們又沒有那種難得一遇的超級巨星。

[–][TOR] OG Anunoby1047_Josh 35 指標 7小時前

I like the Cavs a bit, but for them to basically say, "Well, have you just TRIED winning in five games yet?" is kind of funny.

猛龍球迷：我對騎士有些好感，但騎士有些球迷（在有詹姆斯的情況下）說的是真輕巧啊，「那麼，你們有沒有「試著」在五場內解決戰鬥呢？」，彷彿是在逗我啊。

[–]Raptorsfaithfuljohn 91 指標 7小時前

Here"s an interesting fact for the rest of you guys who keep saying "they flame out". In the last two years combined, the Raptors have twice as many wins against the Cavs in the playoffs as the rest of the Eastern conference combined (2 vs 1).

猛龍球迷：對於剩下那些還在說「猛龍啞火」的人，我有一個有趣的事實要給你們看看。過去兩個賽季的季後賽中，猛龍從騎士身上拿走的勝場數，是東區其他球隊勝場總合的兩倍（2比1）。

And if it wasn"t for Lowry getting hurt in game 2 against the Cavs last year (and not playing in games 3 & 4) then that would have been even more.

Cavs vs Raptors the last two years: 8-2

Cavs vs Rest of EC last two years: 16-1

如果去年不是因為洛瑞在打騎士的第2場中受傷的話（缺席了第3場和第4場），那這個數字會更高。

過去兩年騎士對陣猛龍的戰績：8勝2負；

過去兩年騎士對陣東部其它球隊的戰績：16勝1負。

[–]Nets TankwagonGeordi14er 48 指標 7小時前

Cavs vs Rest of EC last three years: 24-3. The Rose, Noah, Butler Bulls took 2 in the 2nd round in "15.

Marcus Smart hitting 7 3"s last year is the only other win.

過去3年騎士對陣東部其它球隊的戰績：24勝3負。羅斯、諾阿和巴特勒的那支公牛在2015年季後賽第2輪贏了兩場。

另外一場勝利在上個賽季，馬庫斯-斯馬特命中了7記3分。