錫伯杜加盟森林狼之前學了什麼？美JRs：不指望他會改變自己

運動 03-31

金屬質感分割線

What did Tom Thibodeau actually learn during his sabbatical?

來自森林狼球迷的靈魂拷問：湯姆-錫伯杜在來我狼之前的那段無業階段到底學到了些啥？

After Thibs was fired from the Bulls, he took one year off in an effort to become a better coach and a better leader. He spent time with the Spurs, the Warriors, the Hornets, hell even Tony La Russa and the Arizona Diamond Backs. This was all meant for him to recharge and refresh and hopefully come back with some new philosophies.

在被公牛隊解僱之後，他用了一整年的時間來回爐充電，試圖讓自己成為一名更好的教練和一名更優秀的領導者。他去了馬刺、勇士和黃蜂取經，甚至還去了美國職業棒球大聯盟跟Tony La Russa[譯註1]和亞利桑那響尾蛇隊學習。

[譯註1]Tony La Russa，前美國職業棒球大聯盟球員。運動生涯結束後出任職棒聯盟教練，後出任球隊經理，曾四度獲得年度最佳經理。

So what did he actually learn?

FUCKING

LUTELY

NOTHING

所以，他到底學到些什麼呢？

什

么

特么

都

沒

學

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！

The fucking Memphis Grizzlies, a team that has lost 23 of their last 24, just came into the Target Center and got their first road win in over 3 months against what looked like the Timber Puppies tonight.

MLGBD灰熊，一支爛到最近24場比賽輸了23場的球隊，就這麼大搖大擺地走進標靶中心，暴揍看上去就像哈士奇的我們，帶走了超過三個月以來的頭一場客場勝利。

Thibs played 4 of his 5 starters 40+ minutes and a 37 year old Jamal Crawford got close to 30 minutes!!

我們的錫伯杜教練讓先發五人里的四人打了超過40分鐘，讓37歲的賈馬爾-克勞福德打了將近30分鐘！！

ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDIN ME?

This literally right after Jeff Teague came out and said guys get tired and hopefully Thibs can have some trust in the young guys.

I"m just fucking livid man. Just inexcusable from the head coach. I"m done with him

你特么是在逗我么？

就在賽後，傑夫-蒂格接受採訪的時候說球員們累了，希望錫伯杜能給隊里的年輕球員一些信任。

狼區的兄弟們，我要氣炸了。主教練對這場失利負有不可推卸的責任。我受夠錫伯杜了。

[–]Timberwolvesmarsupialsuperstar_ 916 指標 11小時前

He is one of the most stubborn people on the planet. I don』t expect him to ever even slightly change the way he coaches, no matter what happens.

森林狼球迷：他就是地球上最頑固的人之一。都現在這個地步了，我也不指望他能改變哪怕一點點自己的執教方式，沒救了。

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 342 指標 11小時前

he banged Kate Upton he has the right to be stubborn

他上過Kate Upton[譯註2]，他有權利固執。

[譯註2]Kate Upton，美國知名模特，演員，作為2011年《體育畫報》的泳裝模特而聞名全球。

[–]TombPomb 248 指標 11小時前

....

What?

……

啥？

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 387 指標 11小時前

He engaged in sexual intercourse with big breasted model Kate Upton therefore he is allowed to be stubborn

聽不懂？他和爆乳模特Kate Upton進行過深度層次的媾和，所以他有權固執。

[–]Celticstaco_whisperer 187 指標 11小時前

I seen it!

Edit: Holy shit that really happened

呵呵呵對我還見過呢！

編輯：我的天吶，這事兒真發生過？！

[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsParalta 143 指標 10小時前

People are memeing instead of confirming. I need real answers.

熱火球迷：切，有本事都別玩梗，拿出實錘來。

[–]Bullssnowcone_wars 196 指標 10小時前

In 2014 there were rumors that the two were dating for a few months, and Thibs refused to deny or confirm the rumor. Take that for what you will.

公牛球迷： 2014年，曾有緋聞說他倆約會過幾個月，錫伯杜對此即不否認也不承認。拿走不謝，請自行解讀。

[–][CLE] LeBron JamesMoney282 468 指標 10小時前

I also won』t confirm nor deny that I had sex with Kate Upton

我也不否認也不承認我和Kate Upton發生過X關係。

[–]Bullssnowcone_wars 164 指標 9小時前

The thing is Upton herself also has never denied it.

公牛球迷：事實上她本人也從來沒有否認過這個緋聞。

[–]Lakershardy_v1 108 指標 5小時前

Kate Upton did not deny having sex with me as well

Kate Upton也沒否認她曾和我發生過X關係啊！

[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsParalta 120 指標 9小時前

I refuse to believe she had sex with tom thibodeau of all people.

我拒絕怎麼相信，天下好漢這麼多，怎麼會是錫伯杜？

[–]Warriorsashwinr136 130 指標 9小時前

How can you resist this?

風華絕代如此，你怎拒絕的了：

[–][MIL] Rafer Alstontsavorite4 49 指標 11小時前

I never ever knew this before. This man can do whatever the hell he pleases from here on out

我從來不知道還有這回事。這麼看來，這個男人完全可以隨心所欲，怎麼高興怎麼來啊。

[–][GSW] Draymond GreenIsaiah3993 115 指標 10小時前

I mean there"s just no way that"s true, right? He"s way older, ugly af, and isn"t rich enough to pull that kind of tail on money alone.

哎我說，這完全不可能的啊，沒錯吧？他太老了，丑的一批，而且也沒富到用錢就能把到如此高水平妹子的地步。

[–]BucksHarambeDied4Us 100 指標 9小時前

Maybe she really enjoys ice.

也許她真的很喜歡冰呢。

[譯註3]

錫伯杜著名的防擋拆策略，一遇到對手擋拆就會在場邊大喊「ICE！ICE！ICE！」

[–]WarriorsOliver_Stacks 15 指標 7小時前

It』s from a joke he made to the press

這是個錫伯杜跟媒體開的玩笑罷了。

[–]CelticsHenrietta_Boner 24 指標 2小時前

There were never even any rumours

凱爾特人球迷：緋聞從來就不存在的好吧：

「I』m not going to comment on rumors that you guys start, then you wait for me to respond,」 Thibodeau said to the media.

And then he provided an, um, interesting example to prove his point.

「The rumor about my date with Kate Upton – started by me – I』m not commenting on that, either,」 Thibodeau said. 「So, let』s move on.」

「我才不會評論回應你們這幫人編出來的故事呢，你們盡可以等，等到算我輸。」錫伯杜對媒體說。

然後他舉了一個有趣的例子來證明自己的觀點——「聽說我和Kate Upton約會的流言蜚語嗎？嗯我自己放出來的。我也不會對此做出任何評論的。」他說道，「所以，咱還是翻篇吧。」

[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiHappy_FunBall 355 指標 11小時前

The fact that KAT is fourth on the team in FGA/36 minutes is a fireable offense by itself.

卡爾-安東尼-唐斯平均每36分鐘的出手次數僅排在球隊第四位，光憑這點就夠炒錫伯杜魷魚了。

[–][POR] Damian LillardCletus_Starfish 112 指標 8小時前

Yeah, that part is baffling to me. You"d think they"d want their best and most consistent shooter to, I dunno, shoot more.

同意，我對此也很困惑。唐斯的投籃水平是森林狼最優秀也是最穩定的，難道不應該讓他多投籃嗎？

[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 126 指標 11小時前

Why has he still not played Patton lmao

公牛球迷：他為啥還不用賈斯廷-巴頓啊？

[–][MIN] Derrick Williamssprandel 180 指標 10小時前

Can"t put a guy on the floor that"s never made an NBA basket.

森林狼球迷：你不能把一個從來沒在NBA進過球的球員放在場上啊。

[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 26 指標 10小時前

And he"s never made an NBA basket because he"s never seen the floor

公牛球迷：他在NBA沒進過球是因為他從來沒上過場啊。

[–][MIN] Derrick Williamssprandel 168 指標 10小時前

I thought it was a pretty obvious joke...

森林狼球迷：大兄弟，我這句玩笑還不夠明顯么……

[–]Bulls Tankwagonazohrri 80 指標 9小時前

Yeah I"m just dumb.

公牛球迷：哎，我是蠢B啦。

[–]Supersonicsfrmsea2okc 20 指標 7小時前

Forgot about this guy. Man a lottery pick that"s what like 6"11 with a nasty wingspan. Play him Thibs!

差點把這人忘了。他可是樂透秀，大概2.11米的身高，還有著變態的臂展，讓他上吧錫伯杜！

[–]BullsGowzilla 147 指標 11小時前

I hurt every time I see KAT run the court. His legs look so incredibly heavy. It』s honestly sad to watch, these players look so gassed but Thibs just leaves them out on the court. At what point does it become a detriment to players health. Just look what happened to Jimmy Butler and dare I mention that one kid from Chicago who』s career was ended short? I know it』s probably unfair to put that on Thibs but how many players need to get hurt until someone blackballs this guy.

公牛球迷：每次我看到卡爾-安東尼-唐斯在場上折返跑都心如刀割。他看上去就像是雙腿灌了鉛一樣。說實在的，看上去太悲慘了，這些球員已經精疲力竭，但錫伯杜依然把他們留在場上繼續戰鬥。把球員用到什麼樣的程度能算是對球員健康產生危害？看看吉米-巴特勒吧，還有一位來自芝加哥的孩子，他的職業生涯因為錫伯杜而大幅縮水。我明白，把羅斯隕落的鍋完全扔給錫伯杜背可能有失公允。但還要倒下多少名球員，才能喚醒錫伯杜？

[–]Warriorstalanted_o 90 指標 10小時前

or that guy who literally can not play for the lakers, and the other one in New York. This guys are supposed to be at least good bench players, but can"t find the floor.

勇士球迷：或者那個在湖人完全打不上球的，還有一個在紐約的。這些球員本應該還能在板凳席發揮餘熱，但現在連球都打不了。

[–]Bullsrandomlurker2123 47 指標 9小時前

Just watch, when Buckets comes back he"s gonna play 42min/game, Thibs don"t give a fuck.

公牛球迷：大家等著吧，等吉米-巴特勒回來，他依然會每場打42分鐘，錫伯杜根本就不在乎。

[–][SAS] LaMarcus AldridgeUltimateZ906 24 指標 5小時前

Can u imagine the playoffs? He"s gonna ride them even harder. He doesn"t trust half his team to play in the regular season, I wonder how many minutes he"s gonna play the guy he trusts like Jimmy, Kat etc.

馬刺球迷：敢想像下季後賽嗎？錫伯杜絕對會把他們艹的更厲害。因為他不信任隊中一半的球員。我想看看到了季後賽他會讓那些他信任的球員每場打多久，比如吉米-巴特勒，卡爾-安東尼-唐斯等。

[–]NBASpencer_Ballen 387 指標 11小時前*

It"s embarrassing how a "defensive minded" coach has no conception of how to run a modern NBA defense.

想想也是尷尬，一個以防守思維著稱的教練對如何使用當今NBA的防守戰術毫無概念。

Edit: Honestly though, his managing is worse. It』s not making much noise right now, but Gorgui Dieng is becoming the Wolves own Deng.

編輯：而且實話說，他的管理水平更爛。目前這一點還沒有被廣泛討論，但戈爾吉-吉昂已經變成了森林狼自己的洛爾-鄧。

[–]HornetsNamath96 132 指標 10小時前

Everyone took the best of his defensive concepts and incorporated them into their defenses. Now he just has his outdated system and is too stubborn to change.

聯盟里其他球隊都從他的防守理念里汲取精華，然後融會貫通到自己球隊的防守當中。而他現在只剩下一個過時的防守體系而且固執到不願意改變。

[–]76ersforthestreamz 24 指標 11小時前

he gave out 3 contracts that look like a disaster already in Dieng, Wiggins and Teague. at least Teague comes off the books relatively soon but man, their cap situation looks bleak.

他用三份垃圾合同簽下戈爾吉-吉昂、安德魯-威金斯還有傑夫-蒂格，不過至少相對那兩人來說，蒂格的合同到期時間更早一些。但森林狼的薪金情況看上去真的不容樂觀。

[–]76ers420Minions 199 指標 10小時前

We』re really calling the Wiggins deal a disaster? He』s been better on defense and has helped keep them afloat. That』s weak and reactive as fuck.

還真要把威金斯的合同定性為垃圾合同了？他在防守端做得更好而且幫助球隊保持競爭力。你的觀點也太站不住腳了吧，大驚小怪什麼。

[–]76ersforthestreamz 68 指標 10小時前*

Wiggins" production is nowhere close to a 5 year max. unless he makes an almost unprecedented jump next year that contract is top 10 amongts the worst contracts in the league.

威金斯的表現根本匹配不了他的五年頂薪合同，差太多了。除非他在明年能達成一個近乎前所未有的進步，要不然他的合同就是聯盟前十最爛。

he"s posting negative VORP and BPM for the 4th straight year. now of course these stats aren"t end all be all or perfect representatives, but if you"re negative in them for 4 goddamn years, you"re probably doing it very wrong.

他已經連續四年在替換球員差值和統計表正負值[譯註4]上得負分了，當然這些數據也不能最好地代表一個球員的表現，但如果你連續四年得負分，那可能你確實表現得不咋地。

[譯註4]VORP，Value Over Replacement Player，替換球員差值，用于衡量一個球員在攻防兩端超出聯盟平均替補球員的表現，VORP=0代表聯盟平均水平的替補；BPM，Box Plus/Minus，統計表正負值，用來評估一個球員的水平和對球隊的貢獻，BPM=0代表聯盟平均水平的球員，+5表示該球員在每百回合能幫助球隊多贏5分，BPM=-2是替補球員的水平。

and I don"t want to hear the "KAT and Wiggins improved on defense they"re not bad anymore" thing. Wolves are 27th in DRTG in the whole league. they almost exclusively play their starters. we know that Butler, Gibson, Teague and Dieng are good defenders, we have a lot of data and film on them being good defenders.

而且我不想聽到什麼「唐斯和威金斯提高了防守所以他們不再糟糕」的言論了。森林狼的防守率排在聯盟第27位，他們幾乎只讓首發球員打球，我們知道吉米-巴特勒、泰-吉布森、傑夫-蒂格還有戈爾吉-吉昂是優秀的防守者，這都是有數據和比賽錄像支撐的。

so how come Wolves are this bad on defense if KAT and Wiggins aren"t bad defenders either? is it just Thibs/scheme? I think scheme is usually much more important than individual performance in defense but not to the point that a team full of good to average defenders are ranked 27th. come on now people, at which point they"re going to be held accountable?

那麼為什麼即便唐斯和威金斯不是壞的防守者，森林狼的防守還是如此糟糕？僅僅是因為錫伯杜或者防守策略有問題？我認為在一般情況下，防守策略要比球員個人的防守表現來得重要，但這並不能解釋一支擁有從好的防守者到平均防守水平球員的隊伍，在防守率上僅排在聯盟第27。醒醒吧同志們，到底要怎樣你們才能承認這些球員也負有責任？

[–]76ers420Minions 50 指標 10小時前

Yea I know his metrics stink. It』s been beaten into the ground. Defenses respect him and he makes plays. His potential is obvious and it』s not like he can』t score. There』s more than the stat sheet. And the Wolves are in the playoffs in the West for the first time since KG. I think a significant portion of the hate is unfair to the team on Reddit. The way people talk you』d think they had been a top tier team that fell to an 8 instead of a team that lost a star still making it in.

我明白他的數據很爛，這已經被討論爛了。但防守他的球員尊重他，對他認真防守，他也能打進球。他的天賦太顯而易見了，也不是說威金斯得不了分啊。有很多事情是數據統體現不出來的，而且他們自加內特時代之後第一次打進季後賽。我認為這個論壇對這支隊伍持有很大一部分的恨意是不公平的，大家搞得好像森林狼以前是一支頂級的球隊然後突然掉到第八了一樣，而不是他們在失去一位全明星球員之後仍然努力打進了季後賽。

[–]Timberwolvesneelr7 119 指標 11小時前

It』s ridiculous at this point.

森林狼球迷：都到現在了，錫伯杜的頑固有點太扯淡了。

[–][SAS] Tim Duncanrattatatouille 37 指標 8小時前

It blows my mind that this guy is less flexible than a 69 year old coach who has spent two decades coaching the same team.

馬刺球迷：而且這簡直讓我太震驚了，你狼的主教練竟然比一個已經69歲高齡、在同一支球隊執教超過20年的老教頭還固執。

[–][BOS] Eddie Houseraider_10 35 指標 4小時前

69, coaching the same team for two decades and STILL fully willing to admit that he was using one of his players incorrectly and it caused a little tension. Now look at him. Spurs may not be as good as years past just based on talent and no Kawhi, but LMA is playing much better.

凱爾特人球迷：在同一支球隊執教20載的69歲老教頭仍然非常願意承認自己曾錯誤使用了某位球員，願意承認是自己的原因導致該球員與球隊出現摩擦。現在再看看他，馬刺可能不像過去幾年那樣強大了。但這只是因為球隊缺乏天賦+科懷-倫納德一直傷停，但起碼拉馬庫斯-阿爾德里奇打得更好了。

[–]Abide9 10 指標 8小時前

If pop coached the wolves, jamal would be the towel boy.

如果由波波維奇執教森林狼的話，賈馬爾-克勞福德會去乖乖地遞毛巾的。

[–]YouKnowSergio 90 指標 11小時前

I』ve watched all but a handful of Wolves games this year, and the regression is insane. I』m also with you how Thibs isn』t the right fit, but what about Towns and Wiggins totally blowing potential clutch moments? Jamal getting torched on D and lobbing up garbage shots? Do we even have a bench? Idk. They are just such a disappointment as a team. Early in the year I thought we were the third best in the West, and now don』t deserve to be in the playoffs. Tonight was a joke.

森林狼球迷：這賽季我雖然看我狼的比賽不多但也有一些了，我發現我狼確實退化得厲害。我支持你的觀點，錫伯杜並不適合我們。但唐斯和威金斯浪費使自己成長的潛在關鍵時刻是怎麼回事？賈馬爾-克勞福德在防守端被生吞活剝，進攻端又XJB扔是怎麼回事？我們到底有沒有替補？我一臉懵逼，森林狼就是個令人失望的團隊。賽季初我還認為我們是西部前三的球隊，如今我認為我們的糟爛表現根本就不值得進季後賽。今晚輸給灰熊簡直就是個笑話。

[–]fartsAndEggs 69 指標 10小時前

Perhaps those players play too many minutes and get tired compared with a better rested opponent, on average? I don"t know I have watched 0 wolves games except one I saw in person.

也許是球員們打了太久，身心俱疲，而恰好對手之前得到了更好的休息？我不清楚真實情況，因為這賽季除了一次現場，我還沒看過你狼的球，

[–]TimberwolvesJewfroDOC 158 指標 11小時前

please fire this man our team sucks

森林狼球迷：解僱他吧，我們隊爛透了。

[–][MIL] Rafer Alstontsavorite4 78 指標 11小時前

Please wait until after next season so Milwaukee doesn"t hire him and he runs Giannis into the ground

雄鹿球迷：請等到下個賽季再炒，這樣我鹿就不會雇他來死艹字母哥了。

[–][OKC] Andre Robersonthrow3away3791 92 指標 11小時前

At least he doesn』t play 34 year old Carmelo Anthony in a game deciding defensive possession when you』re up 1 in OT.

雷霆球迷：至少他不會讓34歲的卡梅羅-安東尼在加時賽僅領先對手1分的關鍵時刻上場防守吧。

[–]SpursBEE_REAL_ 245 指標 11小時前

Dude he plays Jamal Crawford on defense in crunch time

馬刺球迷：呵呵，這老哥讓賈馬爾-克勞福德在關鍵時刻上去防守。

[–]VenerableHate 63 指標 11小時前

Timberwolves need to fire Thibs this summer. This team is underachieving big time and were able to just coast on having elite talents. Now that Jimmy is gone they can"t even coast properly.

森林狼需要在今年夏天解僱錫伯杜了。這支球隊成不了大氣候，只能靠精英球員來贏球。現在吉米-巴特勒傷了，他們也沒有仰仗的人物了。

[–]Warriorstalanted_o 12 指標 10小時前

who"s going to fire him? Thibs? this is why you never give you coach an executive position cause owners don"t know shit on how to run the team, so they trust the executive.

勇士球迷：可誰來解僱他啊？他自己嗎？這就是為什麼你永遠都不要給你的主教練一個高管職位。球隊大老闆根本不懂運作球隊，所以他們只能相信球隊的高管。

[–]RaptorsThaNorth 23 指標 9小時前

The owner? The GM? Anyone who"s above him, lol.

猛龍球迷：球隊老闆？總經理？只要比他職位高就行，哈哈哈。

[–]Warriorstalanted_o 12 指標 9小時前

Thibs is the president of basketball operations, the only one above him is the owner. He could fire the GM, and reinstate himself as the coach

勇士球迷：錫伯杜就是森林狼的籃球運營總裁，整個球隊唯一比他職位高的只有球隊老闆。他可以解僱總經理，然後再恢復自己的教職。

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