菲茲代爾評潛在黑人主教練，美JRs理性論證黑人教練是否太少
[Spears] David Fizdale lists 10 black assistant coaches who could become NBA head coaches. 『I don』t think a team would go wrong with any of these guys』
姓名 | 現職位 | 教齡 | 履歷 |
薩姆-卡塞爾 | 快船助教 | 9年 | 13年NBA生涯，3屆NBA總冠軍，2004年入選全明星 |
賈朗-科林斯 | 勇士助教 | 4年 | 10年NBA生涯，傑森-科林斯的雙胞胎兄弟，作為教練組成員隨勇士隊獲得兩次NBA總冠軍 |
阿德里安-格里芬 | 雷霆助教 | 10年 | 輾轉NBA9年，1999年美國大陸籃球協會MVP |
朱萬-霍華德 | 熱火助教 | 5年 | 19個賽季NBA生涯，2屆NBA總冠軍，NCAA時期為「密歇根五虎」之一 |
艾德-平克尼 | 森林狼助教 | 15年（其中4年在維拉諾瓦大學） | 12個賽季NBA生涯，1985年NCAA四強賽MOP |
洛伊德-皮爾斯 | 76人助教 | 8年 | 大學時期在聖克拉拉大學與名人堂球員史蒂夫-納什共同出任後場，同時還與NBA球星庫里、詹姆斯關係頗為密切 |
艾米-烏度卡 | 馬刺助教 | 6年 | 球員時期在湖人、尼克斯、開拓者、馬刺和國王合計出場了316場比賽，作為教練組成員隨馬刺獲得2014年NBA總冠軍 |
傑里-斯塔克豪斯 | 猛龍助教 | 3年 | 2次入選NBA全明星，2017年在猛龍905隊獲得「發展聯盟最佳主教練」 |
尼克-范埃克塞爾 | 灰熊助教 | 8年（其中大學1年，發展聯盟2年） | 1998年入選NBA全明星，2015-2016賽季在德克薩斯傳奇隊獲得「發展聯盟最佳主教練」 |
大衛-范德普爾 | 開拓者助教 | 10年（其中5年在莫斯科中央陸軍） | 2000-2001賽季在華盛頓奇才出場了22場比賽，作為教練開發出了利拉德以及CJ-麥科勒姆 |
[–]HornetsIamOlderthanMe 546 指標 11小時前
I think Stackhouse and Cassell will get head coaching gigs next season.
Udoka may be offered one as well.
我感覺斯塔克豪斯和卡塞爾下賽季就有機會榮登主教練。
烏度卡可能也有機會。
[–]RaptorsMartylepiaf 351 指標 10小時前
Stackhouse is overrated he should stay in the G-League please
猛龍球迷：斯塔克豪斯被高估了！他還是老老實實待在發（wo）展（long）聯盟吧。
[–][DAL] Rodrigue Beauboispm_me_your_trees_plz 64 指標 9小時前
Don"t do my boy like that
獨行俠球迷：不要這樣對我的斯塔豪克斯。
[–]Raptorsjays1998 72 指標 8小時前
We will tear down our amazing G-league coach if it means we can keep him please
猛龍球迷：為了留住斯塔豪克斯，我們願意把我們現任出色的發展聯盟教練撕個稀爛。
[–]foxsleftear 18 指標 9小時前
Is Stackhouse the favorite for the Hornets" job? UNC owner, UNC GM, UNC coach?
斯塔克豪斯不是黃蜂主教練職位的最有力競爭者嗎？黃蜂這是要湊「北卡三件套」？北卡老闆+北卡經理+北卡主教練。
[–]Bullsfingerlessgarypayton 12 指標 7小時前
Nah, from what I recall him and MJ hate each other. Forget the name of the book, but Roland Lazenby wrote one about the MJ Wizards years and he acquired Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton (inadvertantly helping get a foundational piece for those great Pistons teams) because of the UNC connection, but Stackhouse thought that MJ was taking shots away from him and they feuded.
應該沒戲，我記得他和喬丹倆人不和吧。記不清書名了，反正就是Roland Lazenby寫的一本書，講的是喬丹奇才時期的事兒。說當時喬丹就是因為「北卡校友」這層關係，用理查德-漢密爾頓（「神操作」為活塞送上了球隊的關鍵拼圖，這才鑄就了那些年的超級活塞）換來了斯塔克豪斯，結果斯塔克豪斯後來覺得喬丹搶了自己的出手權，倆人就結下樑子了。
[–]Tawhiluncan 23 指標 11小時前
I see Udoka getting a head coach job in the future I wouldn"t count him out for coaching the spurs even though they have Messina.
我認為烏度卡在未來會獲得一個主教練位置的，話說雖然馬刺還有梅西納，但我覺得烏度卡還是有得一爭。
[–]Spurskorny4u 13 指標 11小時前
Especially if Messina gets poached. I know several teams are gunning for him next year.
馬刺球迷：尤其是梅西納還有可能被截胡。我可是知道有幾隻隊伍憋著明年搶他呢。
[–]Raptorsking_lloyd11 5 指標 7小時前
Isn"t Messina supposed to be the heir apparent though? Would he leave if he can take over the Spurs?
這不明擺著梅西納等著接班波波呢嗎？他以後可是能執掌馬刺帥印的啊，難道他還會走？
[–]Spurskorny4u 8 指標 7小時前
Depends on Pop. If Pop decides to hang around for another 3-5 years I can"t see Messina waiting but you never know. Pop is 70 and clearly cares about more than just bball. I could see him leaving after this year with no warning or staying another 6 years just to keep crushing it.
馬刺球迷：這就看波波了，如果波波準備再幹個3-5年，我可不覺得梅西納還會死等著，這事兒誰也說不好。波波70歲了，他關心的顯然已經不只是籃球了。沒準這賽季結束，一點兒預兆都沒有就直接退休了，也有可能因為心中的那份熱愛再幹個6年呢。
[–]Raptorsking_lloyd11 11 指標 7小時前
I think I remember him saying that he came back as a promise to TP after the Spurs won their last championship. Manu looks like he"s on the way out, TP definitely is on his last legs, and Pop always said that after Timmy retires, he won"t be too far behind him. I can definitely see him contemplating retirement.
我記得，在14年那個總冠軍後，波波說他之所以再回到馬刺是為了兌現給帕克的承諾。馬努眼看著也要退了，帕克這雙腿也再承受不起傷病了，波波也總是提到在鄧肯退役後他自己也離退休不遠了。波波是很有可能考慮在近年退休的。
I think how things play out with Kawhi will play a big part in his decision. Funnily enough, if Kawhi leaves, I think it will be a bigger incentive for him to come back than if he stays.
倫納德的決定最終將會很大程度上影響到事情的最終走向，不過嘛，很耐人尋味的是，我覺得如果倫納德離開馬刺，將會直接激的老爺子留下，而不是退休。
[–][SAS] Malik Rosespyronos 8 指標 8小時前
Ime is not head coach material, absolutely no one should be trying to pry him away from us. There is no value to him and he should stay here in SA forever.
馬刺球迷：烏度卡這輩子主教練當是當不上的，也就是一輩子在我刺混混這樣子，你們也就都別想著挖我們牆角了，他對你們啥用也沒有啊啊啊啊啊啊。
[–][POR] Damian LillardFamilyguy35 171 指標 11小時前*
Portland Trail Blazers assistant coach David Vanterpool
We like to call David the guard whisperer. He has produced some great guard play through his years.
開拓者球迷：「開拓者助教大衛-范德普爾」。
我拓球迷都習慣管他叫「後衛密語者」，這些年他確實創造出了不少偉大的後衛戰術。
[–][SEA] Shawn Kempjohnjohn2214 13 指標 7小時前
Euroleague legend David Vanterpool is an assistant coach for you guys?! That dude was skilled as hell.
「歐洲傳奇」大衛-范德普爾給你們就當個助教？！他簡直不要太牛逼好吧！
[–][CLE] Cedi OsmanCollier1505 4 指標 9小時前
I vote we hire all ten right now. Can』t be worse than our current coach
騎士球迷：我建議我騎這十個全都要！反正不可能比我們現在的教練更差了。
[–]Hawksnerdyintentions 39 指標 9小時前
You"re already paying like 10 head coaches not to coach so whats 10 more?
現在差不多已經有十個主教練白領著你騎的薪水呢吧？咋的，嫌不夠多，再來十個？
[–][CLE] Cedi OsmanCollier1505 25 指標 8小時前*
Exactly. They can form a tribunal where they vote on rotations or plays.
At least then we don』t see Nance out there with TT. Or TT at all.
騎士球迷：那必須的，這樣所有教練可以湊出個委員會，投票表決制訂輪換陣容和戰術打法。
至少那樣我們不會再看到南斯和TT一起上場的情況，沒準還能再也不用見到TT啦！
[–]Hawksnerdyintentions 10 指標 8小時前
Coaching by committee. Thats crazy enough to work.
教練委員會制，這執教起來還不得上天咯哇。
[–]Buckspifhluk 4 指標 8小時前
And then get overruled by Lebron.
然後詹姆斯一票否決。
[–][CLE] Cedi OsmanCollier1505 8 指標 8小時前
He』s the eleventh coach. He gets three votes. Everyone else gets one.
騎士球迷：勒布朗就是第十一位教練，其他人每人一票，他一票頂三票。
[–]Cavaliersxdownpourx 20 指標 7小時前
LeElectoral College
詹式選舉團制度。
[譯註1]
[譯註1]美國總統選舉實行選舉人團制度，各州選舉人票多寡取決於各州的人口。
[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookWestbrooksScowl 9 指標 7小時前
LeSuper Delegate
詹式超級代表團。
[譯註2]
[譯註2]超級代表是美國政治中的一個術語，指在美國總統初選期間無需選舉即自動當選的民主黨全國代表大會代表（約佔15%），他們可以根據自己的意願進行投票，無需理會初選時選民的意願。與民主黨不同，共和黨本身並沒有超級代表。不過共和黨全國代表大會也包括了一些自動當選的代表，每州限最多三人。
[–]BucksYouCantUpvoteMe 178 指標 11小時前
That』s my maybe future coach
雄鹿球迷：菲茲代爾也許就是我鹿未來的主教練。
[–][BOS] Kyrie Irvinggoofygoober2 324 指標 11小時前
「The day I lost my job, I felt like I let all of those [notable] people down,」 Fizdale said. 「It』s a real roller-coaster. For me as a young African-American coach, I feel like I do have an obligation to how I approach that job. I』m not doing that job for me. I have to make sure for the next guys that I represent myself in a way where other teams say, 『I』d love to have a coach like David Fizdale』 and not be afraid of hiring a young African-American.」
aww fiz
凱爾特人球迷：「我丟掉工作的那天，我就感覺自己讓所有人失望了，」菲茲代爾說道，「整個過程就跟坐過山車似的。對我這個年輕的黑人教練來說，我覺得我得對自己獲得工作的方式盡到應盡的義務。我不是僅僅為我一個人在工作，我也得為後來的人著想，得讓其他球隊通過我的表現說出『我很願意找個像菲茲代爾那樣的教練』，當他們下一次僱傭黑人年輕教練的時候也不再有所顧慮。」
菲茲代爾說的多好啊。
[–]Warriorsby_yes_i_mean_no 18 指標 9小時前
If there was a fair playing field, then there would be more black coaches. Former players tend to become coaches. The NBA is majority black and has been for awhile (highest percentage of black players in any professional league in the US).
如果把大家都放到一個公平競爭的環境里，那黑人教練的數量必然會增加，因為前職業球員成為教練的幾率很高。NBA里黑人是多數群體，這種現狀已經很長時間了。（NBA是美國所有職業體育聯盟中黑人運動員比例最高的）
Currently, 7 out of 30 NBA head coaches are non-white (6 are black). Almost certainly related, 2 out of 30 NBA majority owners are non-white (Jordan is the only black majority owner).
就現在來說，NBA30位主教練中，只有7位不是白人（其中6位是黑人）。你無法忽視的一點是，30支球隊的大股東中只有2位不是白人（喬丹是唯一一位黑人大股東）。
So unless you have proof that more former white players want to coach than former black players to the point where the percentages make sense, you should be applying this criticism the other way.
所以說，除非你能證明前職業球員中想當教練的白人比黑人更多，而且我說的這個「多」必須多到能夠解釋這種懸殊的差距，不然的話，這個問題可就要變味了。
(Or did I give you too much credit and you are actually just saying the field is level and black coaches aren"t hired more because they are dumber and less capable? Can be hard to tell on Reddit sometimes.)
（看來還是我太相信你們了，你們居然覺得競爭環境很公平，覺得黑人教練沒有獲得更多機會是因為他們腦子更不靈光，沒有執教的能力？我有時候真是分不清你們是在開玩笑還是這就是你們的真心話）
[–]Nab_Karma 14 指標 7小時前
On the surface, it"s an important observation. You"d think, over time, the racial make-up of the players would closely align to the racial make-up of the head coaches. You"d be working off the assumption that being an NBA player is the best preparation for being an NBA head coach. And that the majority of qualified (objectively and subjectively) candidates would then be black. That very well might be true.
從表面上來看，這是個很重要的觀察發現。你首先會這麼想，球員的膚色比例跟主教練的膚色比例可能會有著高度的相似性。因為你會假設，成為一名NBA主教練的最好跳板就是當一名NBA球員，因此，這會導致多數夠格（這裡的夠格既是客觀標準上的，也是主觀標準上的）的教練候選人都是黑人。這麼推下來，好像還真是那麼回事兒。
But what sort of former players attempt to become coaches? Do you have to have played in the NBA? For how long? Could you have just played in college? Does it make more sense to pull coaches from the college ranks, rather than former NBA players? Do head coaches need to have been assistants at the NBA level first? What makes someone "qualified?"
但是讓我們再來想想什麼樣的前職業球員會選擇轉型成為教練？教練必須有NBA球員經歷嗎？如果是，那需要多長時間的NBA經歷？能不能只有大學籃球的經歷呢？從大學裡挖主教練難道不比從前NBA球員里挑主教練更合理嗎？主教練必須先有NBA級別聯賽的助理教練經歷嗎？哪些因素決定了一個教練候選人是「夠格的」？
Take that bit by bit. Let"s expand experience as a player to college. About 60 percent of Division 1 players are black. If you include lower divisions, that number decreases. Still, from the player pool, even if you include college, at least half of the NBA coaches should be black, if there is a strong correlation between the race of the player pool and those with coaching aspirations.
咱們一個一個來。先把候選人經歷擴展到大學級別。NCAA一級聯盟中有大概60%的球員是黑人，如果再把低級別聯賽算進來，這個比例會下降。不過即使是這樣，單就球員備選人才庫來說，如果把大學算進來，並假設球員膚色和有著教練抱負這兩個因素有緊密聯繫，那NBA教練至少得有一半是黑人。
Now, if you want them to have coached at the college level first? Only about 22% of college Division I coaches are black. You"ve now completely flipped your candidate pool. Why aren"t there more black college coaches? Could be a lot of different reasons. But for purposes of this discussion, the candidate pool of black college head coaches is much smaller than white college head coaches-- if you"re an owner or GM and want that experience in a candidate.
好，現在你還希望這批人先擁有大學執教經驗？22%的NCAA一級聯盟教練是黑人。得，這下直接把之前假設的候選人庫徹底推翻了。怎麼沒有更多的黑人大學教練呢？這個原因就五花八門了。現在只著眼於我們正討論的問題，如果你是NBA球隊老闆或者總經理，你希望申請人有豐富的經驗——這就意味著，可供選擇的黑人大學教練遠少於白人大學教練。
Let"s scrap college, and say you want them to have coached at least as an assistant at the professional level? What"s the pay look like? How many former players, who have made millions of dollars over their careers, have the drive to start from the bottom for little money? At that point, you"re not talking about someone who has the drive to play professional basketball for money, but rather talking about someone who has the drive to coach basketball for money. I don"t think those traits necessarily align.
先把大學放一邊，再來討論如果希望候選人至少在職業籃球聯賽中有過助教經歷的話會怎樣？你了解助教拿多少薪水嗎？前職業球員，個頂個都是在生涯中掙了百萬美刀的大款，這其中能有幾個人願意領著微薄的俸祿，從最頂層干起？我們在說的可不是他們是否有動力以打球為生，而是以執教為生，這可是兩個完全不同的概念，並不一定有吻合的傾向。
So, are blacks underrepresented as head coaches in the NBA? Almost certainly. But is it as gross a misrepresentation as it seems? Probably not. And there are a lot more variables in play than just, "the owners are racist."
所以，NBA中黑人教練少於應有的數量嗎？答案是肯定的。但是事實真的有這種畸形的表象展現出來的那麼糟糕嗎？我看未必。這一現象背後的因素實在是太多太多了，可不是一句「老闆們種族歧視」就能概括的。
[–]RaptorsRaptorsaurus- 29 指標 10小時前
Exactly. Who cares what color skin the coach has. This is going backwards
就是說啊，誰關心教練是什麼膚色啊，那不是開歷史倒車呢嘛。
[–]76ersHOG_ZADDY 36 指標 8小時前
I don"t think he"s saying hire them because they"re black, he"s saying they"re worth interviewing.
我覺得樓上老哥的意思也不是說「你是黑人我就要聘用你」，而是說他們確實值得面試看看。
Look at the NFL. There used to be very few black coaches because they wouldn"t even get interviews. The Steelers owner created the "Rooney Rule" which required teams to interview - not hire - black candidates. As a result there have been more black coaches hired.
看人家NFL，之前黑人教練奇缺，那是因為他們連個面試的機會都沒有。鋼人隊的老闆搞出來個「魯尼法則」，要求球隊必須面試——注意，不是僱傭——黑人申請者。這也直接導致了更多黑人教練的湧現。
[–]76erspalerthanrice 33 指標 8小時前
Without counting Steve Kerr, 6 out of 30 NBA coaches are black, which gives us 20%.
Black people total at 13.3% of the population in the US.
So what"s the point of this article? Black people are already over represented as players, and are currently over represented as coaches, so what do you really want? An all black league?
如果不算科爾，30名主教練里6位是黑人，也就是20%的比例。
而全美黑人的比例是13.3%。
那這文章想說明啥？球員里黑人已經成為了大多數了，現在教練里黑人數量也已經超額了，你們想幹啥？純黑聯盟？
Fitzdale is being way too hard on himself too. His performance isn"t indicative of any other potential black coach, nor did his performance hinder the possibility of equal representation of black people among coaches, considering the fact that they"re actually over represented.
而且菲帥也對自己太嚴厲了。他的表現不能代表任何一名未來潛在的黑人教練的表現，更不會成為黑人教練獲得一個公平展示自己的平台的絆腳石。更別說現在黑人教練數量已經超額了。
Obviously there isn"t a racial bias among hiring head coaches. Even Donald Sterling, a documented racist, hired Doc Rivers. It"s just weird that these articles are still being written.
顯而易見，單就主教練這事兒上，壓根兒不存在種族歧視的問題。就算是斯特林，這麼一個明碼標價的種族主義者，不也僱傭了里弗斯嘛。我真是奇了怪了，這年頭居然還有人寫這種文章。
※最不喜歡的論壇現象：近期偏見，喜歡對比而不是讚揚球員
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