連續8進總決賽：比爾-拉塞爾和勒布朗-詹姆斯的對比
[OC] 8 consecutive finals: Bill Russell vs Lebron James
連續8進總決賽：比爾-拉塞爾和勒布朗-詹姆斯的對比
連續8年總決賽的旅程（以下為平均值）
NBA的球隊數：拉塞爾時期：8.4 詹姆斯時期：30
進入總決賽需要的輪數：拉塞爾：1 詹姆斯：3
進入總決賽需要的勝場數：拉塞爾：3.9 詹姆斯：12
進入總決賽需要的比賽場數：拉塞爾：5.6 詹姆斯：15.4
隊友名人堂數量：拉塞爾：6.1 詹姆斯：2.4
[–]Celticsk0ala_ 2101 指標 23小時前
well when you put it like that
凱爾特人球迷：額……你這麼做出來的話……還確實是……
[–][WAS] Bradley BealNaabahs 847 指標 23 小時前
Okay now that puts it into perspective.
奇才球迷：這個圖還真是說明了情況啊。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 283 指標 23小時前
Exactly what I was aiming for.
樓主：在下目的正是如此。
[–]klawhileonard 1297 指標 23小時前
TIL NBA was easier in 1950
感謝樓主讓我明白50年代的NBA更好打……這不廢話嗎。
[–]2HandedMonster 783 指標 23小時前
LeBron playing with a team of milkmen in 2018 just to make it more fair though
為了公平起見，2018年的勒布朗甚至也帶著一群送奶工打球。
[譯註1]
[譯註1]：最早期的NBA球員很多都是兼職，平常都有自己的本職工作。
[–][GSW] Andre IgoudalazzMojaveExpress 1221 指標 23小時前
In Russell"s defense he went 8-0 if you pick the right stretch of years.
勇士球迷：這我得為拉塞爾說幾句，你如果挑對連續的年份的話，他可是八連冠啊。
[–]nicoccino 1065 指標 21小時前
I think Lebron is 3-0 when his team wins the Finals
樓上說的好有道理，我覺得哈，我就是著么一猜啊，勒布朗奪冠時他的總決賽戰績應該是3勝0負吧？
[–]SpursDuzzy_Funlop 723 指標 23小時前
1 round to reach Finals? GTFO! I never knew that
只要贏一輪就能進總決賽？別特么忽悠我啊！以前我真不知道。
[–]LakersWuffy_RS 496 指標 22小時前
And only 8 teams and what I"m guessing is the Clippers with the .4
湖人球迷：而且當時一共8支球隊，所以我猜當時快船是圖裡面那個0.4嘍。
[–]Clippershailbo 638 指標 20小時前
"Jeez it"s kinda nice not being in the playoffs I feel pretty safe walking into an /r/NBA thre--"
快船球迷：點開這個帖子前：「哎喲，今年不用打季後賽可真舒服呢，應該沒人黑我們了吧？我來論壇看看都在說什……」
[–]Celticsnakul2 106 指標 19小時前
Love the hall of fame teammates argument, when half those HoFers on Russell"s team are only there because they won 8+ rings... See Satch Sanders, in the HOF despite averaging less than 10 PPG for his career.
凱爾特人球迷：關於名人堂隊友的那行挺有趣，拉塞爾一半以上的名人堂隊友能進名人堂都是因為他們至少有八個總冠軍戒指……舉個例子，名人堂成員托馬斯-桑德斯，生涯場均連10分都不到啊。
[–]SyrDel 136 指標 23小時前
Hall of famers argument is bullshit, barely any of Bill"s teammates are HOF without him.
名人堂隊友的論據純屬扯淡，幾乎所有拉塞爾的隊友離了他都不配進入名人堂。
[–]centristtt 34 指標 21小時前
Probably, I think early stars in sports also have an easier time getting into the HoF. (goes for any sport)
或許吧。我認為對於任何項目來說，早期的體育明星都很容易進入名人堂。
[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 8 指標 15小時前
Hondo, Sam Jones, Cousy, Cowens fer sure off the top of my head. iirc Cowens won an MVP. Idk bout the rest.
勇士球迷：哈夫里切克、薩姆-瓊斯、庫西、考恩斯都是絕對名人堂水準的球員啊。假如我沒記錯的話，考恩斯可是獲得過MVP的。其他人我就不清楚了。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 272 指標 23小時前
Since Lebron"s teammates haven"t yet been inducted in the HOF, I considered the following as HOFers: Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love.
樓主：考慮到勒布朗的隊友還沒有正式進入名人堂的，姑且羅列一下未來的名人堂成員好了：韋德、波什、雷-阿倫、肖恩-馬里昂、凱里-歐文和凱文-樂福。
[–]HeatMelGibsonDerp 201 指標 23小時前
According to BBALL REF which is what you used:
Allen: Already in the HOF
Wade: 100% HOF chance
Bosh: 99.51% HOF chance
根據Basketball Reference網站，剛剛樓主說的這些人：
雷阿倫：已經是名人堂成員。
韋德：100%
波什：99.51%
Marion: 75.59% HOF chance
Love: 67.58% HOF chance
Irving: 36.41% HOF chance
I think it"s too soon to consider Marion and Love HOFers. Love obviously has a great chance given the career projection, but Marion is by no means a lock.
馬里昂：75.59%
樂福：67.58%
歐文：36.41%
個人覺得，討論樂福和馬里昂進入名人堂還為時尚早。顯然，樂福職業生涯前景不錯，很有機會；而馬里昂絕對跟板上釘釘扯不上關係。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 101 指標 23小時前
You are correct.
But if I wouldn"t have counted them, some might have thought I was a Lebron homer. Even counting them, Russell had almost 3 times more HOF teammates.
樓主：你說得對。
但是我要是不算上剛剛說的這幾位，可能會有人覺得我太偏向詹姆斯了啊。而且就算考慮他們，拉塞爾還是比勒布朗多3倍的名人堂隊友呢。
[–]throwaway801780 193 指標 22小時前
To be fair, when one team wins eight straight championships, a ton of them are going to be in the hall of fame for no other reason than they won eight straight championships.
公平的講，當一個隊伍連續贏得8個總冠軍的時候，隊里多數人都會進入名人堂的。不因為別的，單單憑他們連續拿了8個總冠軍也很了不起啊！
[–][BOS] Kelly OlynykSlayer_Of_Anubis 359 指標 23小時前
I can"t tell if this was just made to shit on Russell or to prop up LeBron. Nobody is comparing them skillwise lol
And for Bill"s case you forgot to mention how many of the appearances ended in a championship.
凱爾特人球迷：我不知道這個帖是不是拿來黑拉塞爾從而抬高勒布朗的，我可從來沒見有人從球技上的角度比較他倆啊。
至於說拉塞爾，我想樓主忘記提到他的的總決賽獲勝率嘍。
[–]CavaliersRemyGee 255 指標 21小時前
Imho, if he was shitting on Russell, he definitely wouldn"t have used that picture of Russell looking amazing with his collection of Infinity Rings.
依鄙人愚見，如果樓主是在黑拉塞爾，他絕對不會用那張拉塞爾戴滿「無限戒指」、看起來酷炫碉堡的照片嘍。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 167 指標 23小時前
It"s just to point out just how different the league was back then.
Not shitting on Russell, he was great. But people are now comparing Russell"s run with Lebron"s and I am trying to put it in perspective.
樓主：我只是想陳述一下過去的聯盟是多麼的不同罷了。
並不是要黑拉塞爾的，他很偉大。只不過，最近人們在拿拉塞爾和勒布朗的總決賽之旅進行比較，所以我只是想給大家展示下兩者的區別。
[–]Bullshotrod13 244 指標 22小時前
Why not include wins/losses if you are putting it into perspective?
那樓主在展示區別的時候咋不說說他倆的總決賽戰績？
[–][BOS] Eddie HouseWeAreBert 362 指標 21小時前
Because he"s just trying to put it in one perspective lol
凱爾特人球迷：因為樓主想展示的區別只有一個方向唄。
[–]WizardsVswerve27 371 指標 23小時前
No one thinks Russell was better than LeBron
奇才球迷：樓主發了這個是為啥，根本也沒人覺得拉塞爾比勒布朗更強啊。
[–]BullsMustcoppington 143 指標 21小時前
The fabeled Bill Simmons just now conceded that LeBron 》 Russell so I wouldn"t say no one.
著名的比爾-西蒙斯（凱爾特人鐵粉）也是剛剛才承認勒布朗強於拉塞爾的。所以，我不會用「沒有人」這樣絕對的詞。
[–]everythingisamovie 53 指標 21小時前
Either that or Simmons was the very last person to admit that.
也可能是西蒙斯是最後一個承認這件事的人啊。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 163 指標 23小時前
You can look below and see that"s not true. Some people still cling on the "RINGZ, ERNEH !!!" argument.
樓主：你們可以往下看看，好多JR可不這麼認為呢。有些人還是在那扯著嗓子大喊著冠軍數。
[–]Alcren 107 指標 23小時前
And those guys are acting silly. While he does have an argument, Michael Jordan, Lebron, Wilt, and KAJ have the best arguments.
因為那些人蠢唄。要說對歷史第一人的競爭，拉塞爾確實也不是沒得爭，但喬丹、勒布朗、張伯倫和賈巴爾都更有資格。
I personally don』t think you can label LBJ the best of all time until he hangs em up and you can compare the totality of his career. What if he has a bunch of choke performances? What if he wins 4 more rings in Cleveland while winning 3 more mvps before he retires?
我個人認為，現在的話，在詹姆斯退役之前你還不能把勒布朗封為歷史最佳；當勒布朗退役之後，我們才可以對他的整個職業生涯進行評估。想像一下，假如他後續出現了無數次掉鏈子的比賽呢？又或者，他在克利夫蘭再拿4個總冠軍同時和3個MVP的話呢？世事難料啊！
I guess this is more tertiary but yeah...you don』t need to defend bill Russell against LBJ any more than one needs to argue LBJ vs Kobe or Magic imo.
第三嘛……我覺得吧，你沒必要拿拉塞爾跟詹姆斯比，就像你也沒必要拿詹姆斯跟科比和魔術師比一樣，完全不是同一類型的嘛。
[–]WestTrollface_Problem 98 指標 23小時前
Bill Russell was the greatest in his era. Jordan was the greatest in his time in the league. Lebron is the greatest right now. I don"t care about unfair comparisons between players, across eras, etc. while the playoffs are going on now. Maybe after the finals are over, it"s worth pandering to shit posts in the offseason.
在他那個年代，拉塞爾就是最強的存在；喬丹也一樣，是他那個時代的聯盟第一人；而勒布朗是這個時代的第一人。現在還打著季後賽呢，無論是關於不同球員、還是不同時代的不公平比較，我都不關心。或許當總決賽打完、到休賽期的時候，再湊合看看這些扯淡的帖子，現在就好好欣賞比賽吧！
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